Things we agree on about the GPL

2005-05-23 Thread Michael K. Edwards
I thought I'd take a different tack for a minute and write about things that Raul and I (and other current debian-legal participants) seem to agree on about the GPL, and seem to think (though most of us are not lawyers) are well founded in law. 1. GPL release is not release into the public

Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL

2005-05-23 Thread Brett Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QPL requirement: if you pass on binaries, you must pass on source to both the recipient and upstream. You claim this is a fee. Well, this is non-free as upstream may have died, and if you can't distribute

Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL

2005-05-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
Brett Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QPL requirement: if you pass on binaries, you must pass on source to both the recipient and upstream. You claim this is a fee. Well, this is non-free as upstream

Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL

2005-05-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Brett Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QPL requirement: if you pass on binaries, you must pass on source to both the recipient and

Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL

2005-05-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider the case where 'upstream' refers to several hundred distinct entities. It's the BSD advertising clause disaster all over again... I don't think anyone is claiming that it's a good license. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-23 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/23/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at the time that I picked Perl and 1-2-3 as examples. But perhaps we should regroup and identify the things we agree on (see separate thread) and the extent to which other gaps have narrowed. I'll need to think about that some, but I

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removing the debian-legal website stuff?

2005-05-23 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
Hi. As some of you might know some time ago I created a web page for listing information about licenses discussed by debian-legal at http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ Shortly after creation this stalled however as nobody created summaries anymore, probably because for many discussions it

Re: removing the debian-legal website stuff?

2005-05-23 Thread Jens Seidel
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 03:47:05PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: As some of you might know some time ago I created a web page for listing information about licenses discussed by debian-legal at http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ Comments, objections? Maybe it is sufficient to refer to

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Re: removing the debian-legal website stuff?

2005-05-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
In linux.debian.legal Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this hasn't really worked out I propose to delete this stuff again until someone comes up with a better idea how to better present the work of debian-legal. Seconded. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: License question about regexplorer

2005-05-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait, the QPL (with no additional permission and a choice of venue) is *not* DFSG-free (many long discussions were hold on debian-legal last summer, IIRC). This is just bullshit. A few people thinking it's not free does not make it non-free. -- ciao, Marco -- To

Re: License question about regexplorer

2005-05-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 09:04:52PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait, the QPL (with no additional permission and a choice of venue) is *not* DFSG-free (many long discussions were hold on debian-legal last summer, IIRC). This is just bullshit. A few people thinking

Re: Trademark license compatibility with GPL and/or DFSG

2005-05-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, any trademark license would permit us to use their trademark, which we could not do otherwise. This is a misunderstanding of trademark. It is always legal to describe the driver as being a driver by author intended for use with trademark, because that

Re: Trademark license compatibility with GPL and/or DFSG

2005-05-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The company in question is willing to negotiate terms for a trademark license that is agreeable to all parties. Obviously any advertising or guarantee restrictions are unacceptable to us. Well, no; some such restrictions are acceptable. We accept the required NO

Revamping the debian-legal website (was Re: removing the debian-legal website stuff?

2005-05-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Frank Lichtenfeld wrote: Since this hasn't really worked out I propose to delete this stuff again until someone comes up with a better idea how to better present the work of debian-legal. It would really, really, really help if things like the currently-unofficial debian-legal FAQ, some of the

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-23 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/23/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/23/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll need to think about that some, but I think there are some obvious points you missed. (For example, that contract law can and will be used in resolving ownership issues in

Re: removing the debian-legal website stuff?

2005-05-23 Thread MJ Ray
Frank Lichtenheld wrote: Shortly after creation this stalled however as nobody created summaries anymore, probably because for many discussions it proved to be difficult if not imopossible to summarise many of the discussions without either reproducing the entire discussion or to have an