Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 02:15:09PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > No covered work constitutes part of an effective technological protection > > measure: that is to say, distribution of a covered work as part of a system > > to generate or access certain data constitutes general permission at least

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 02:41:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > d) They may require that the work contain functioning facilities that > > allow users to immediately obtain copies of its Complete Corresponding > > Source Code. > *** > Although this may be a Free requirement -- and I believe i

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Josh Triplett
Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > Hi Glenn! > You wrote: >>>3. Digital Restrictions Management. >>> >>>As a free software license, this License intrinsically disfavors >>>technical attempts to restrict users' freedom to copy, modify, and share >>>copyrighted works. Each of its provisions shall be interpreted

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Josh Triplett
Florian Weimer wrote: > * Glenn Maynard: >>>a) The modified work must carry prominent notices stating that you >>>changed the work and the date of any change. >> >>This is so widely violated that it's clear that it's not working; it'd >>be nice if they would acknowledge this and remove it. > > Yes

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:45:24PM +0100, mickaël leduque wrote: > >[13.[8] Geographical Limitations. > >If the distribution and/or use of the Program is restricted in certain > >countries either by patents or by copyrighted interfaces, the original > >copyright holder who places the Program under

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 02:41:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > a) They may require the preservation of certain copyright notices, > > other legal notices, and/or author attributions, > *** > Change this to "certain *accurate* copyright notices, other *accurate* legal > notices, and/or *acc

Re: Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Joe Buck
From: "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Where did the "unless that component itself accompanies the > executable" go? Is it somewhere else? It has been eliminated, intentionally. The rationale is to make things like Debian GNU/Solaris legal (currently a distribution can't contain both the

Re: Common Creative Deeds 2.5

2006-01-16 Thread Victor Seva Lopez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Weimer escribió: > * Victor Seva Lopez: > >> I´m trying to create a package [0] that has been licensed by Common >> Creative Deeds 2.5 [1]. Would you be as kind as to tell me if this >> license is compatible with DFSG? > > Would you check if

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | 16.[11] There is no warranty for the Program, to the extent permitted by | applicable law. Except when otherwise stated in writing the copyright | holders and/or other parties provide the Program "as is" without warranty | of any kind, either expressed

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> 7. License Compatibility. >> Aside from additional permissions, your terms may add limited kinds of >> additional requirements on your added parts, as follows: >> d) They may require that the work contain functioning facilities that >> allow user

Re: Translation of a license

2006-01-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 1/17/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Technically, the statement we're talking about is probably the one >> required by GPL #2(c) - notice in particular that 2(c) does not >> require any specific wording of the notice. There seems

Re: Distributing GPL software.

2006-01-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/16/06, Ken Arromdee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... Pls don't mess up my game, Ken. regards, alexander. P.S. Note also that modification and copying under 17 USC 117 (plus any other lawful activity under any other exceptions and limitations to exclusive rights) doesn't trigger acceptance.

Re: Distributing GPL software.

2006-01-16 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, olive wrote: > > I think his point is this: Person A can legally make and distribute a lot of > > copies to B without putting B under any obligation, as long as B doesn't > > make more copies himself. B, who now has a lot of copies, can dispose of > > them > > as he wishes by

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Joe Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] d) They may require that the work contain functioning facilities that allow users to immediately obtain copies of its Complete Corresponding Source Code. *** Although this may be a Free requirement -- and I believe it should be cons

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:41:14PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > 5.[2] Distributing Modified Source Versions. > > c) If the modified work has interactive user interfaces, each must > > include a convenient feature that displays an appropriate > > copyright notice, and tells the user that there

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Glenn! You wrote: > > 3. Digital Restrictions Management. > > > > As a free software license, this License intrinsically disfavors > > technical attempts to restrict users' freedom to copy, modify, and share > > copyrighted works. Each of its provisions shall be interpreted in light of > > th

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:18:46PM +0100, mickaël leduque wrote: > Andrew Donnellan a écrit : > > No, because the exclusion applies worldwide, and the license > > incorporates it into its body. > > > > andrew > > OK, but why is it free to forbid exportation to some parts of the world? In my opin

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.int-property/msg/643d20ed959418ec http://groups.google.com/group/misc.int-property/msg/decb10a8816c96b6 http://groups.google.com/group/misc.int-property/msg/eb61dbc76806b071 regards, alexander.

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
> As a special exception, the Complete Corresponding Source Code need > not include a particular subunit if (a) the identical subunit is > normally included as an adjunct in the distribution of either a major > essential component (kernel, window system, and so on) of the > operating system on whic

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread mickaël leduque
Don Armstrong a écrit : > > Whatever this clause means is actually rather difficult to dicern; > luckily it has been deleted in GPLv3. > > > Don Armstrong > Oh yes,that's what the brackets (not really apparemnt enough imho) mean. Thanks for the answer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PR

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread mickaël leduque
Andrew Donnellan a écrit : > No, because the exclusion applies worldwide, and the license > incorporates it into its body. > > andrew OK, but why is it free to forbid exportation to some parts of the world? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
>From GPL v3 draft 1: >> [13.[8] Geographical Limitations. >> >> If the distribution and/or use of the Program is restricted in certain >> countries either by patents or by copyrighted interfaces, the original >> copyright holder who places the Program under this License may add an >> explicit geo

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, mickaël leduque wrote: > >[13.[8] Geographical Limitations. > > > >If the distribution and/or use of the Program is restricted in certain > >countries either by patents or by copyrighted interfaces, the original > >copyright holder who places the Program under this License may

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Andrew Donnellan
No, because the exclusion applies worldwide, and the license incorporates it into its body. andrew On 1/17/06, mickaël leduque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >[13.[8] Geographical Limitations. > > > >If the distribution and/or use of the Program is restricted in certain > >countries either by paten

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread mickaël leduque
>[13.[8] Geographical Limitations. > >If the distribution and/or use of the Program is restricted in certain >countries either by patents or by copyrighted interfaces, the original >copyright holder who places the Program under this License may add an >explicit geographical distribution limitation

Re: Translation of a license

2006-01-16 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 1/17/06, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scripsit Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Yes. Furthermore, given that the license notice should not be > > translated, I would suggest that the use of gettext on the license > > notice strings is a bug. > > I am not convinced that th

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Andrew Donnellan
> > d) They may require that the work contain functioning facilities that > > allow users to immediately obtain copies of its Complete Corresponding > > Source Code. > *** > Although this may be a Free requirement -- and I believe it should be > considered Free -- it poses *major* practical problem

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:07:40PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Failing that, at least make it clear that you don't have to identify > > yourself here, or that an alias is acceptable. > > Hmm, I'm not sure if this is the right direction: I'm strongly in > favor of a clear copyright status of a

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 1/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does this apply to GPL-incompatible shell scripts and 'bash'? Doesn't it > mean that GPL-incompatible shell scripts using bashisms are in violation of > the GPL? I think it does. I'm OK with that. Other people might not be, > though

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Florian Weimer
* Glenn Maynard: >> Regardless of any >> other provision of this License, no permission is given to distribute >> covered works that illegally invade users' privacy > > This is a butterknife being boxed with a "you may not sharpen this > knife and stab people with it" notice: that's already illega

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread neroden
Here we go. Can't make that comments system work. Places where I think there is a problem with the draft are marked with asterisks, since I have so much positive to say. > GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE > Discussion Draft 1 of Version 3, 16 Jan 2006 > > THIS IS A DRAFT, NOT A PUBLISHED VERSION OF

Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
I'm commenting here, rather than to the FSF; I'd prefer to get a look over my impressions here first. On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:07:42AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > 3. Digital Restrictions Management. > > As a free software license, this License intrinsically disfavors > technical attempts to r

Re: Common Creative Deeds 2.5

2006-01-16 Thread Florian Weimer
* Victor Seva Lopez: > I´m trying to create a package [0] that has been licensed by Common > Creative Deeds 2.5 [1]. Would you be as kind as to tell me if this > license is compatible with DFSG? Would you check if this license permits use of the work under an license which is written in English,

Re: Distributing GPL software.

2006-01-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/16/06, olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > This is probably right. B will not break the law. However; the GPL give > you permission to distribute the software only if you agree to it. 17 USC 109 (aka copyright exhaustion in Europe) gives you "permission", not the GPL. > If you don't agr

GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-16 Thread Don Armstrong
Here is version 3; it's also available on gplv3.fsf.org as well. Don Armstrong -- She was alot like starbucks. IE, generic and expensive. -- hugh macleod http://www.gapingvoid.com/batch3.htm http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Discussion Dr

Re: Distributing GPL software.

2006-01-16 Thread olive
Ken Arromdee wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > And I'm still not in prison. How come? 1. You have some kind of understanding with the copyright holder of the program in question. 2. You have not been prosecuted != you have not broken the law. I think his point is this

Re: Translation of a license

2006-01-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes. Furthermore, given that the license notice should not be > translated, I would suggest that the use of gettext on the license > notice strings is a bug. I am not convinced that the _copyright notice_ (i.e. "This program is free software, etc, etc

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Re: Reducing my involvement in Debian

2006-01-16 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:50:10AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > It's due to some recent and inconveniently timed personal events > rather than *anything* within Debian, but I'm going to be reducing my > involvement considerably. I'm sure people who have no insight into my > life will claim other