Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-11 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 10553 March 1977, Charles Fry wrote: What the? andrew

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 08:24:08PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Point 6 is broken for anything !PHP. No, it isn't. The current point 6 is: 6. Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following acknowledgment: This product includes PHP software, freely available from

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10562 March 1977, Steve Langasek wrote: Point 6 is broken for anything !PHP. No, it isn't. The current point 6 is: 6. Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following acknowledgment: This product includes PHP software, freely available from

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 03:33:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE PHP DEVELOPMENT TEAM ``AS IS'' AND is also wrong for anything which is not from the PHP Team. Agreed; this license is still not suitable for software that doesn't come from the PHP Group.

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2006-02-11 Thread mxas
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Re: FYI: Savannah forces new projects to use GFDL for documentation

2006-02-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:25:03 +1100 Matthew Palmer wrote: My opinion of FSF people is descending rapidly here. Dropping down, down, down... :-( Revising history is never a good sign. Agreed fully. _1984_ by George Orwell comes to mind (where the Minitrue continuously rewrites history). --

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-11 Thread Charles Fry
Point 6 is broken for anything !PHP. No, it isn't. The current point 6 is: 6. Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following acknowledgment: This product includes PHP software, freely available from http://www.php.net/software/. It does not say

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-11 Thread Charles Fry
Once again, I repeat my claim: that the 3.01 version of the PHP License is equally fit for licensing PHP itself and PHP Group software. This claim has been upheld over months of sporadic discussion on the matter at debian-legal. So lets look at that license, not only for allow php group

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:20:21 -0500 Charles Fry wrote: Once again, I repeat my claim: that the 3.01 version of the PHP License is equally fit for licensing PHP itself and PHP Group software. This claim has been upheld over months of sporadic discussion on the matter at debian-legal.

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-02-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Nathanael Nerode: I think this is overly broad. What about the following? You must not add any functionality to programs licensed under this License which may not be removed, by you or any third party, according to applicable law. Such functionality includes, but is not limited to,

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-11 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Jeremy Hankins date=Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 11:35:55AM -0500 Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: quote who=Jeremy Hankins date=Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 09:06:39AM -0500 The bigger problem is that by arguing for this type of new law, we are arguing for an expansion of existing

Re: FYI: Savannah forces new projects to use GFDL for documentation

2006-02-11 Thread Sebastian Wieseler
Hello Francesco Poli, hello list, I should clarify things here... You wrote: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:25:03 +1100 Matthew Palmer wrote: My opinion of FSF people is descending rapidly here. Dropping down, down, down... :-( Don't think of all people in the FSF. Thanks. Revising history is

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-11 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Glenn Maynard date=Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 06:49:12AM -0500 How do you distinguish between an arcade user and someone using a web application? Is it the presence of a network connecting the two? I think that's an unnatural distinction. Both web users and arcade players are equally

legal residence for corporations

2006-02-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Glenn Maynard wrote: (I'm not sure, however, if resides is a legally meaningful term, when the defendant isn't an individual.) Good question. In the US, if I remember correctly, clauses refering to the residence of corporations generally are treated as referring either to the state where their

Re: FYI: Savannah forces new projects to use GFDL for documentation

2006-02-11 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey Gymnasist, be advised that if Wallace http://www.terekhov.de/Wallace_v_Red_Hat_2nd_ANSWER.pdf won't succeed in US, I'll invite him to Germany. http://www.allenovery.com/asp/pdf/gercomplaw.pdf -- Rules on distribution Basics Vertical relationships between market participants operating

Re: FYI: Savannah forces new projects to use GFDL for documentation

2006-02-11 Thread Sebastian Wieseler
Hello. Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 10:14:59PM +0100, Sebastian Wieseler wrote: So you should respect me and don't post the caches of my sites anywhere. Admitting an error (or a misunderstanding, a misspeaking, or a good old brain fart) is something people can respect;

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 04:18:26PM -0500, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: There's the possibility that we solve this problems in different ways for different classes of license. The AGPL might not do that now but maybe we can make it do that or find another license that does that. Maybe we have a

Re: FYI: Savannah forces new projects to use GFDL for documentation

2006-02-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:26:17PM +0100, Sebastian Wieseler wrote: So you should respect me and don't post the caches of my sites anywhere. MY blog and I can post what I want to post. I don't care about your opinion. Very well, but respect me and I don't care what you think seem at odds. :)

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-11 Thread Josh Triplett
Glenn Maynard wrote: A real example (from my own field) where this would cause serious practical problems is arcade machines. It's clearly public performance, and players in arcades really are using (and interacting with) the software directly. We include sources to GPL stuff on the

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-11 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 04:12:39PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: Would it be an excessive requirement to provide an offer for source (at up to 10 times your cost of providing source)? The offer could easily be stuck in the fine print next to the copyright notices. I've generally been of the

Re: FYI: Savannah forces new projects to use GFDL for documentation

2006-02-11 Thread MJ Ray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, it seems this was a bit premature. The Savannah admin who was looking at my project registration wrote to me: I think it was useful to post here (all times UTC): Wed 19:05 kickino decides that GPL-only is not allowed Wed 21:40 driconf application is cancelled Thu

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-11 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: quote who=Jeremy Hankins date=Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 11:35:55AM -0500 Isn't this exactly what the Affero bit and GPLv3(7d) do? They also bring copyright into the interactions between [ASP software] and [...] users. No. They provide a narrowly

Re: legal residence for corporations

2006-02-11 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn Maynard wrote: (I'm not sure, however, if resides is a legally meaningful term, when the defendant isn't an individual.) Good question. In the US, if I remember correctly, clauses refering to the residence of corporations generally are treated