DFSG as Licence?

2006-06-11 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello *,

Since I have read tonns of different licences I do not realy know
what to do.  Since I am using Debian/main only (with the exception
of libdvdcss2) since more then 7 years now I want to say, that my
Software any Licence which comply with the DFSG.

Question:

Is there allready a licence which use the term DFSG as licence?

I do not fully agree with the FSF and the GPL. v2.0 maybe ok,
but I have complains against the new one.

Thanks and Nice Weekend
Michelle Konzack
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Re: DFSG as Licence?

2006-06-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hello *,

 Since I have read tonns of different licences I do not realy know
 what to do.  Since I am using Debian/main only (with the exception
 of libdvdcss2) since more then 7 years now I want to say, that my
 Software any Licence which comply with the DFSG.

 Question:

 Is there allready a licence which use the term DFSG as licence?

 I do not fully agree with the FSF and the GPL. v2.0 maybe ok,
 but I have complains against the new one.

If you do not like gpl3, use gpl2 without the or later option, if
that does what you want.  The FSF won't like you if you do, but nobody
is under any obligation to please them.  Personally, I'm allergic to
more than two paragraphs of legalese, and I don't want to release my
work under terms I do not fully understand, so I release my stuff
under the MIT license.  It gives a little more permission than the
GPL, but I don't really care if someone uses my code in a commercial
application.  It doesn't interfere with my reasons for releasing it in
the first place, and it lets any free software project use it, without
any concerns about being GPL compatible.  All the fuss about open
source licenses being incompatible is, IMHO, contradictory to the
spirit of free software, and spending time on such issues is
counter-productive.

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Re: DFSG as Licence?

2006-06-11 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 11 June 2006 19:25, Måns Rullgård wrote:
 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Hello *,
 
  Since I have read tonns of different licences I do not realy know
  what to do.  Since I am using Debian/main only (with the exception
  of libdvdcss2) since more then 7 years now I want to say, that my
  Software any Licence which comply with the DFSG.
 
  Question:
 
  Is there allready a licence which use the term DFSG as licence?
 
  I do not fully agree with the FSF and the GPL. v2.0 maybe ok,
  but I have complains against the new one.

 If you do not like gpl3, use gpl2 without the or later option, if
 that does what you want.  The FSF won't like you if you do, but nobody
 is under any obligation to please them.  Personally, I'm allergic to
 more than two paragraphs of legalese, and I don't want to release my
 work under terms I do not fully understand, so I release my stuff
 under the MIT license.  It gives a little more permission than the
 GPL, but I don't really care if someone uses my code in a commercial
 application.  

GPL allows commercial applications, but what GPL does not allow is becoming a 
'proprietary application' (non-free). E.g. you are not allowed to grab a 
GPL'ed source code, modify it and distribute the modified binaries only. In 
that case GPL force you to publish the your source modifications, which is 
perfectly in the spirit of free software ... e.g. what is give is what you 
get.

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Re: DFSG as Licence?

2006-06-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sunday 11 June 2006 19:25, Måns Rullgård wrote:
 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Hello *,
 
  Since I have read tonns of different licences I do not realy know
  what to do.  Since I am using Debian/main only (with the exception
  of libdvdcss2) since more then 7 years now I want to say, that my
  Software any Licence which comply with the DFSG.
 
  Question:
 
  Is there allready a licence which use the term DFSG as licence?
 
  I do not fully agree with the FSF and the GPL. v2.0 maybe ok,
  but I have complains against the new one.

 If you do not like gpl3, use gpl2 without the or later option, if
 that does what you want.  The FSF won't like you if you do, but nobody
 is under any obligation to please them.  Personally, I'm allergic to
 more than two paragraphs of legalese, and I don't want to release my
 work under terms I do not fully understand, so I release my stuff
 under the MIT license.  It gives a little more permission than the
 GPL, but I don't really care if someone uses my code in a commercial
 application.  

 GPL allows commercial applications, but what GPL does not allow is
 becoming a 'proprietary application' (non-free). E.g. you are not

OK, bad choice of words.  I don't much care if someone uses my code in
a proprietary application either.

 allowed to grab a GPL'ed source code, modify it and distribute the
 modified binaries only. In that case GPL force you to publish the
 your source modifications, which is perfectly in the spirit of free
 software ... e.g. what is give is what you get.

What I'm talking about is different, each on their own free, licenses
being deemed incompatible with each other.  Examples are the GPL, the
OpenSSL license, and the Open Software License.  I find it hard to
believe that most authors who choose to release under the GPL do so in
order to prevent their code being used in a program released under the
OSL.  Neither of these two licenses (GPL and OSL) allows for
proprieterization of code.  However, I see it as a loss to the free
software world as a whole, that the open source code is divided into
several islands, between which no code sharing is allowed.  This leads
to time and efforts being wasted in reimplementing perfectly good
code, only because the existing version has slightly different terms
of use and distribution.

How many cases of Foo is under GPL, Foo uses libcurl, libcurl can be
linked with OpenSSL, hence Foo is non-distributable have been
discussed on this list?  I have no figures, but it is a recurring
topic.  Does anyone seriously believe that the authors of Foo
intentionally created those situation?

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Re: IBM CPL v1

2006-06-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Francesco Poli:

 I mean: may I be an anonymous Contributor?
 Being forced to disclose my own real identity is a significant
 restriction: it would render software under the CPL non-free (because
 it's a fee, see DFSG#1).

On the other hand, being able to identify all contributors is vital
for reviewing the copyright status of a program, should there be any
doubt or copyright infringement claims.  Programs with an unclear
copyright situation cannot be considered free, IMHO.


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Re: IBM CPL v1

2006-06-11 Thread MJ Ray
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On the other hand, being able to identify all contributors is vital
 for reviewing the copyright status of a program, should there be any
 doubt or copyright infringement claims.  Programs with an unclear
 copyright situation cannot be considered free, IMHO.

I disagree, at the extreme.  If it's *provably* so unclear that no-one can
enforce a copyright over it, then it's effectively in the public domain
and so free.  However, you are far more likely to hit 'lawyerbomb' than
'free' and it's better to try to clarify.

Hope that helps,
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