Re: Doubt about a government license

2007-04-23 Thread Ben Finney
Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking of doing an ITP of a program which is called mpich2. But I am not sure about the license which mpich2 is under with. [0] I'd be glad if you can help me. What do you think about the licence? Could be this software

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-23 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:02:11PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Firstly, much of this thread seems to be taken up by people saying that the project can't disallow things which we don't think reflect badly on debian but other people generally do. Why is this

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 12:37:16PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, nobody cares for statements that can be normalized to 'you can do all this, except that, that, that, and that', and those should also be avoided if we want readers to take the spirit of

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 12:37:16PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Yes, the social contract says that the Debian system and all of its components will be fully free; but for all practical intents and purposes (heh), the accompanying license texts are as much a component of the system as is the

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 12:37 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: License texts *are* distributed by Debian, now, under terms that are non-free. This behaviour doesn't match the Social Contract. Is there any package in Debian which includes a license that is not being distributed as the terms of use and

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Clint Adams
Egad, it sounds like you actually live in an evil parallel universe where idealism is inherently dishonest and false. That universe must really suck. :) There's a difference between idealism and lying about adhering to one's ideals. Please, try to remember the spirit of those promises, rather

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 09:48:51AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: Egad, it sounds like you actually live in an evil parallel universe where idealism is inherently dishonest and false. That universe must really suck. :) There's a difference between idealism and lying about adhering to one's

Intel IA-32 EL License - ok for non-free?

2007-04-23 Thread dann frazier
(Not on the list, please CC me on replies) hey, ia64 cpus have dropped hardware i386 support in exchange for non-free software emulation, known as IA-32 EL. I took a cursory look at the license, and I'm wondering if its even viable to upload to non-free. The text of this license is available

Re: Intel IA-32 EL License - ok for non-free?

2007-04-23 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 03:42:10PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: * Section 4: Updates requires commerically reasonable efforts to supply our customers with updates that Intel distributes. If this means we cannot say no to an update from Intel, that does not sound reasonable for

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Ben Finney
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 12:37:16PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: License texts *are* distributed by Debian, now, under terms that are non-free. This behaviour doesn't match the Social Contract. Sure, they are technically being distributed, but not as

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Ben Finney
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 09:48:51AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: There's a difference between idealism and lying about adhering to one's ideals. Yeah, and we're not lying about adhering to our ideals simply by distributing the obligatory license data. If

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Ben Finney
Fabian Fagerholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, consider DFSG §10: The GPL, BSD, and Artistic licenses are examples of licenses that we consider free. Then recall that the meta-license of the GPL permits no modification (relaxed by FSF policy to be permitted when the

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 08:24:39AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: There's a difference between idealism and lying about adhering to one's ideals. Yeah, and we're not lying about adhering to our ideals simply by distributing the obligatory license data. If we weren't doing that, we'd have

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, I don't see distributing non-modifiable license texts to be violating the social contract. I'm curious to know how you reconcile Social Contract §1 and DFSG §3, and the fact that we distribute non-modifiable texts in Debian. -- \

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 08:07:03AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: The Social Contract makes a promise we are not keeping. You say it's not ... something the social contract cares about. That's not at all clear from reading it -- the social contract makes a straightforward promise, which has no

Re: Intel IA-32 EL License - ok for non-free?

2007-04-23 Thread dann frazier
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 06:07:44PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 03:42:10PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: * Section 4: Updates requires commerically reasonable efforts to supply our customers with updates that Intel distributes. If this means we cannot say

Confusion about license wording

2007-04-23 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
Hello, In the conditions paragraph below, I am wondering whether: (1) The last sentence is necessary (i.e. does the word corresponding in the first sentence imply the last sentence?). (2) In the last sentence, does the phrase must reflect all modifications mean that all past, present, and