Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Michael Reichenbach

Hi!

The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 
'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'.


I added it to the wiki. 
http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses?action=show#head-4aa606633f3372dc9d5087b69c2f40d06bcd3c2d


How to get a final / official verdict about it?

-mr


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Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:57:30 +0200 Michael Reichenbach wrote:

 Hi!
 
 The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 
 'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'.
 
 I added it to the wiki. 
 http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses?action=show#head-4aa606633f3372dc9d5087b69c2f40d06bcd3c2d

I think you should link to more recent discussions:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/01/msg00122.html
(and the thread that followed)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/03/msg00130.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/04/msg00032.html

 
 How to get a final / official verdict about it?

I already expressed my personal opinion in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/04/msg00032.html
but that is, well, my own personal opinion, as said...
It's true that nobody else added comments to the new License version
2.4, but what I expressed is still my own personal opinion, and nothing
else.

Please remember my usual disclaimers: IANAL, TINLA, IANADD, TINASOTODP.

There's no way, AFAIK, to *compel* debian-legal to provide a final /
official verdict: unless a consensus is formed, there cannot be a
conclusive statement.
Moreover, no statement can be final (because some previously unnoticed
issue may always be discovered later), or official (since debian-legal
is not the decision-making body for Debian, but a sort of advisory
board, instead).

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Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Michael Reichenbach

Francesco Poli schrieb:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:57:30 +0200 Michael Reichenbach wrote:


Hi!

The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 
'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'.


I added it to the wiki. 
http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses?action=show#head-4aa606633f3372dc9d5087b69c2f40d06bcd3c2d


I think you should link to more recent discussions:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/01/msg00122.html
(and the thread that followed)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/03/msg00130.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/04/msg00032.html


How to get a final / official verdict about it?


I already expressed my personal opinion in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/04/msg00032.html
but that is, well, my own personal opinion, as said...
It's true that nobody else added comments to the new License version
2.4, but what I expressed is still my own personal opinion, and nothing
else.

Please remember my usual disclaimers: IANAL, TINLA, IANADD, TINASOTODP.

There's no way, AFAIK, to *compel* debian-legal to provide a final /
official verdict: unless a consensus is formed, there cannot be a
conclusive statement.
Moreover, no statement can be final (because some previously unnoticed
issue may always be discovered later), or official (since debian-legal
is not the decision-making body for Debian, but a sort of advisory
board, instead).



I do not want to compel someone to do anything. :)

FranklinPiat removed everything from the wiki. (see changelog) Forwarded 
the message also to him.


But I think there should be at least *any* status information on this page.

It was already added to the 'unclear' section with 'unclear' status. 
What was wrong with? Now completely deleting was an action I really can 
not understand.


-mr


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Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Michael Reichenbach said:
 Hi!
 
 The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 
 'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'.
 
 I added it to the wiki. 
 http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses?action=show#head-4aa606633f3372dc9d5087b69c2f40d06bcd3c2d
 
 How to get a final / official verdict about it?

Ask ftp-master.
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Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Franklin PIAT
Hello,

Foreword : I'm not part of the debian-legal team. I'm just taking care
of keeping the wiki clean.

I removed the Truecrypt license from the page because :
* This license is specific to a single package. A bug might me more
  appropriate to track that. (IMHO).
* The state of that license is currently undecided, it doesn't make
  sense to put it on DFSGLicenses, which is a reference page.
* Get yourself a proper wikiname : foo looks like a spammer account ;)


On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 17:13 +0200, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
 Francesco Poli schrieb:
  On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:57:30 +0200 Michael Reichenbach wrote:
  
  The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 
  'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'.
 
  I added it to the wiki. 
  http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses?action=show#head-4aa606633f3372dc9d5087b69c2f40d06bcd3c2d
  
  I think you should link to more recent discussions:
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/01/msg00122.html

That was a good advice.

  
  There's no way, AFAIK, to *compel* debian-legal to provide a final /
  official verdict: unless a consensus is formed, there cannot be a
  conclusive statement.
[..]

 I do not want to compel someone to do anything. :)
 
 FranklinPiat removed everything from the wiki. (see changelog) Forwarded 
 the message also to him.
 
 But I think there should be at least *any* status information on this page.

What about keeping the status of the license in :
http://bugs.debian.org/364034

 It was already added to the 'unclear' section with 'unclear' status. 
 What was wrong with? Now completely deleting was an action I really
 can not understand.

If debian-legal find it appropriate, please undo my change.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Franklin



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