is such a bore.
[2] ie maintainers or developers. Something like the core-team, perhaps.
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and xacc are GPLed, though.
There may be others -- I was only grepping for motif, but these are
all in both slink and potato on master.
Perhaps these packages are exceptions in some way, though?
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mentioned), doesn't quite meet exemption 3.a.ii.3 in Ian's
DFSGv2 (which requires a 3 year or less time limit), and slips by my
DFSGv2 (under the `Availability of Source Code' restriction), on the
presumption that such a requirement is reasonable.
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Sure.
Summary: The question is whether the program HUGS released under Perl's
Artistic license can be distributed in main in a version linked with
libreadline which is
, when they're *guaranteed*
they can download a free version by the above clause? Assuming you accept
some outside patches, that is)
FWIW, HTH, IANAL, etc.
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On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 11:34:59PM -0800, Joseph Carter wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 1999 at 02:28:44PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
I convinced a friend to release his software under a free
license, but he wanted protection in case he later decide to
commercialize a version of his software. I
true honest to god copyright lawyer to look over some
of these opinions, we've enshrined into folk-lore [0].
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[0] folk-lore, folk-law! Ha! Geddit! Gee. Sometimes I just crack me up.
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opinions that clarfiy the matter, please point them out. Otherwise it's
about time we just admit We're not lawyers, we don't know and either
move on, or ask someone who is.
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place, this becomes much less likely.
IMO, etc.
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``Like the ski resort of girls looking for husbands and husbands looking
for girls, the situation
to the effect of You can use our patents in this product, but
not in other ones you might happen to right aren't really considered,
so defensive actions against patent suits are still possible, just not
in the ways Apple and Netscape seem to want above)
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that.
The original was from discussion Cc'ed to debian- lists, possibly including
this one. I'm not quite sure.
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``Like the ski resort of girls looking for husbands and husbands looking
for girls, the situation is not as symmetrical as it might seem
On Sat, Apr 03, 1999 at 06:08:54AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Further, OSI is making efforts in the right direction. They are discussing
how the APSL should be improved with Apple
Say what? All public disclosure from OSI indicates
.
/
It only mentions redistribution and use, but doesn't restrict it to
verbatim redistribution.
Anyway, it's about time I sent Wietse some patches, so I've asked for
this to be clarified as well.
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of it being true for licenses and for
standards. OTOH, I can't find any instances of the latter, so I may
be mistaken.
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``The thing is: trying to be too
, rather than merely linking them))
Hmmm. I also suspect that the performance of a play would constitute
a derived work, whereas I can't quite imagine how the execution of a
program could. Odd.
IANAL.
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this is going, MMMV.
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``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's stupid, it
results in slower code, and it results in more bugs
copyright applying to an invented
spreadsheet language, that held up I believe. I /believe/ the laws have
been changed since, though.
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``The thing
. (It counts as copying if you get one person
to read it, and someone else writes it down, you don't have to be using
cp or anything. And personally, I can't see any way you could `reinvent'
a header file that wouldn't amount to doing exactly that :-/)
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are derived works, it doesn't give any reasoning for it)
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``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's stupid, it
results in slower code
, and we'll sue you if
you've mislead us in any way'? Please.
BTW, www.opensource.org doesn't seem to have web based archives of its
license-discuss list?
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companies and
work out whatever CYA and patent problems there are with the BSD license
or the GPL and just be done with it.
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``The thing is: trying
of software...
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``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's stupid, it
results in slower code, and it results in more bugs
On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 08:32:28AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:56:57AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
You are free to mix the code with other code, though. All DFSG free
^^^
Note the lack of the word `any'. :)
The DFSG doesn't
On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 10:52:07AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 08:32:28AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:56:57AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
You are free to mix the code with other code, though. All DFSG free
On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 12:00:49AM
of the system. Copyright
law deals with copying.
Which is what happens when you make a CD with a /copy of/ dpkg and a
/copy of/ get_it.
The question is whether you're allowed to make this copy.
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getting the software.
The only difference between this and `you must pay us $5 before you get
a CD' is that it's more explicit.
Cheers,
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companies.
Sure, I can't prove them innocent, because I'm not an IP law expert. But
that ain't my job, either.
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``The thing is: trying to be too generic
or semi-free software
collections, for Linux, *BSD, Mac, Windows or DOS. What's your point?
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``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's
in Canada' note that's presumably required by the
Canadian tourist board. And that's about it.
IANAL, of course.
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``The thing is: trying to be too
it a rest.
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``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's stupid, it
results in slower code, and it results in more bugs
hardly fair.
Take your anti-RedHat rants elsewhere. At the very least they're off topic
here.
Cheers,
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destructive and generally obnoxious.
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your claim is.
Of course, I'm not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice. Et cetera.
Cheers,
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written based on
the calculations performed by the software), but I can't remember any
of the details. :-/
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``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's stupid, it
results in slower code, and it results in more bugs
this permission,
because she is only licensed to distribute Qt under the QPL, so Bob may
only ``make modifications to [Qt] and distribute [his] modifications,
in a form that is separate from [Qt]''.
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2000 at 03:28:43PM -0500, Andreas Pour wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 12:47:21PM +1100, Don Sanders wrote:
Firstly I showed him a copy of the GPL: [...]
and then Andreas Pour's interpretation of the GPL: [...]
* He agreed the Andreas Pour's
(please don't drop debian-legal from the Cc list)
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 08:39:13PM +1100, Don Sanders wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Anthony Towns wrote:
Third, I challenge you to find a relevant case that says a program is the
same work, for copyright purposes, with a dynamically loaded
under the terms of the
GPL (ie, with source).
If someone were then to replace the libraries, they'd be allowed to also
take out your code and forget about the GPL entirely though.
I think that's right.
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I don't speak
. My understanding
is most of the examples that come with Qt can be made to compile.
[3] http://www.trolltech.com/company/announce/kde-freeqt/index.html
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``We
we will in fact be unable to distribute UW's IMAPD, and
should never have done so in the first place.
There's no problem with obtaining special permission to distribute a program
as long as it goes in non-free. It's just a little more onerous on the
maintainer.
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modified
version, but that people who recieve it from us do not, unless they too
ask permission (We do expect and appreciate...). Non-free.
Right, it fails DFSG 7. Anthony Towns and Raul Miller don't seem too
concerned about it (see their followups to my -legal message of August
23rd), however
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``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you
do not understand, cannot perceive, or don't care about, is too much
,
without worrying about licenses *at all*. Usage restrictions violate
that rule.
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``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you
.
Yes, I'm fully aware that I'm blaming GPL while the ordinary thing to
do is to blame the other license.
How very subversive.
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``_Any_ increase
probably also be fine.
Note that Intel's claims as to what you can and can't do with the
microcode aren't necessarily legally binding.
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``_Any_ increase
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:55:50PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
Adding something like: ``In addition, you may freely distribute copies of
this microcode'' would be fine. Adding something like ``Special permission
is given for this microcode
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:41:26AM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:13:22AM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
The license (for non-FREE section):
/ These microcode updates are distributed for the sole
purpose of
/ installation
will never make the system
depend on an item of non-free software.'' or item 5 ``We have created
contrib and non-free areas in our FTP archive for this software. The
software in these directories is not part of the Debian system, ...''
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There's also a brief comment about BSDish advertising clauses on the
FSF site.
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``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit
there's any problem with the LGPL -- LGPLed stuff can be linked
to just about anything. It's the GPLed tools that'd be the problem.
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``_Any_ increase
advertising clauses on its
license. One from Eric Young, one from Tim Hudson (which only applies to
the Windows code), and one from the OpenSSL group.
Also, Tim Hudson was one of the original authors, along with Eric Young,
back from when it was called ssleay.
Cheers,
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 03:25:36PM -0600, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 01:32:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
We're based in Canada - which I had hoped meant the export problem didn't
apply to us.
(It does)
Could you elaborate?
It does mean the export problem
for
this mailing list.
Please take the discussion to somewhere where it belongs.
Uh, you just posted half a dozen messages on roughly this topic to this
list, why is it suddenly off-topic when someone else does?
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A' and
use it instead of the lame-o free A. Alternate scenario two: FooCorp
provides A* on their apt source, B Depends: A* | A, and they recommend
using A*, but A* Conflicts: A, and thus a bunch of people end up using
B+A anyway.
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we're getting off topic...)
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``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you
do not understand, cannot perceive, or don't care
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:55:58PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 12:40:45PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
What if Debian, White Knight of Free Software, distributes A (a GPLed
library) and obeys the GPL completely, and doesn't distribute anything
non-GPLed which links
of running
the Program. I'm pretty sure there are explicit provisions to allow that
in .au copyright law, fwiw.
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``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty
did it just because he felt like it.
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``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you
do not understand, cannot perceive
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 09:30:14PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
The set {FooCorp,WhiteNight} however, *is* doing an illegal copy.
Proof by assertion, I love it.
I wasn't trying to do that; I'll explain.
If a single person distributed
or unmodified copies, without
restriction, LGPL and GPL licenses are all fine, pretty much.
AIUI, IANAL, IANrms, etc.
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``_Any_ increase in interface
or authorization
to act as an agent for the copyright owners.
That's only true if the original copyright holders didn't specifically
give you permission to sublicense in their copyright license though...
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On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 11:05:51AM -0700, Adam J. Richter wrote:
From: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au
You know, I think we've been looking at this wrong.
Saying you can't relicense is just wrong. [...]
License is not a completely well defined term, and, more
importantly
sense of this. Well, another way is to consider the BSD's frequent
assertions that you can take BSD code and make it proprietry as an
additional license; and the FSF's webpage as non-authoritive...)
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On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 11:54:22AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 04:38:21PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
Alice wrote foo.c, licensed under the GNU X11 license.
I've never seen a GNU X11 license, nor is one listed at
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/license-list.html.
There's
stressing about it.
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``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you
do not understand, cannot perceive, or don't care about, is too
gif. Do you have any other examples?
gpg-idea, openssl
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Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes, we're on it.
C'mon, guys. Somebody gave
,
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Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes, we're on it.
C'mon, guys. Somebody gave an aardvark a nose-cut: somebody who
can't deal
[-policy and emacs maintainers not cc'ed]
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:03:09AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 02:14:51PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 05:51:29PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
[Debian Policy group: I am not sure if the Debian
? You're already relying
on the sense of ftpmaster in working out if things are too large, why
not just be honest about it?
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Security here. Yes, maam. Yes
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 04:31:06AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
I don't think we should *encourage* reasoning by fiat or whim
Possibly more acutely: how is 32kB justified, apart from fiat or whim?
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might
like to consider if there's a more effective way to build consensus than
your modus operandi.
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Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes
to convince
anyone of anything.
Not that there's any chance you'll clue yourself in this year. Maybe in
two or three though.
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Security here
address the issue by providing any justification.
But hey, whatever.
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C'mon, guys
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 01:56:23AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 02:52:47PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 11:01:49PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
For instance:
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* It's unjustified. Why 32,768 bytes
, and if the latter, well, I'm not convinced that's a worthwhile
goal to pursue, personally.
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C'mon
a wider
effect than they should (which is, again, aiui, just to clarify our
stance on licenses, and allow FDL-licensed stuff to enter main in the
usual case).
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everyone and their
dog's take on why free software rulz or why RMS is an idiot or how to
make money fast if we decide this is okay?
I'd be a lot happier if we were allowed to drop the essays, without
being able to modify them. :-/
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in the US on July 4th),
and free entertainment is always good...
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Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes, we're on it.
C'mon, guys. Somebody gave
to RMS's demands for the FSF's docs, but not to
J. Random Kid and his desire to push his views on the world too.
I'd like to be able to, but I just can't.
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interesting and famous and historically valuable and so on
in that package, and then only let those documents appear in invariant
sections.
Another problem with the FDL: you can't rip out a single invariant section
from a docco and publish it on its own, you have to take all of them.
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been unlicensed
or has been non-free that's also made it into main, if you really like.
KDE is the most straightforward example.
It's something Debian's needed to actually think about for quite some
time.
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I don't speak
if the documents
maintained, and x ever becomes fixed again.
Is that the sort of environment -- where you can't customise that
particular feature of your environment -- really reminscent of the sort
of freedoms we espouse? I don't think it is, personally.
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
What
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:06:28AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:02:23AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
I ask you to contribute to Debian's progress, and not to impede it.
There simply HAS BEEN NO PROBLEM
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:22:01AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
What does it take to get this damn message across to people? Do you
assume that No Junk Mail signs have an (Unless it's too much effort)
rider or something? If not, why do you
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 04:54:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 06:51:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
It's something Debian's needed to actually think about for quite some
time.
I don't want to make any assumptions, so I'll just come right out and
ask: Do you
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:49:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
You're, uh, just eliding what I consider the substantive and interesting
points in this discussion. That's not really very helpful. Do you agree
with them, and are you convinced by the arguments?
Anthony Towns aj
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 11:16:57AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 11:07:29PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
I don't have any issues with what you've said, but I still don't have
a fully formed opinion on the whole issue.
Is it just a matter of thinking it through
I suggested,
but perhaps you do: it's hard to tell since you just completely ignored
it and made your own suggestion.
Cheers,
aj
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Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes, we're on it.
C'mon, guys. Somebody gave an aardvark a nose-cut: somebody who
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 06:51:15PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Thomas, stop Cc'ing me.
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
What I suspect you're becoming confused about though, is thinking that
removing a package from the Debian distribution, and adding it to the
non-free
Stop Cc'ing me.
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 07:04:17PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
If you find the restrictions are that bothersome, then it's probably
appropriate to just put the docs in non-free. That's what it's for.
I don't think
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 07:35:43PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes:
Then why do you want them put in some special debian-political package
which other packages aren't allowed to recommend?
I didn't say I wanted that. I tossed it out as a wacky
to discuss here. Licenses are special. They're not
documentation, or manifestos. Their exemption is universally supported
and the reasons behind that don't generalise. Everyone else has moved on
from this already.
Cheers,
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I don't
of contributors, you must tell people that they
can get the original version of this package at URL foo, etc.
None of those are at issue, as far as I've seen.
Cheers,
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that Branden's interpretation
(everything in main must be DFSG-free) is untenable, and that
implication that modifying them in the way that everyone does is
hypocritical.
In short, I don't think your summary here is particularly good.
Cheers,
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Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/
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Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes, we're on it.
C'mon, guys. Somebody gave an aardvark a nose-cut: somebody who
can't deal with deconstructionist
.
Cheers,
aj
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I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred.
Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes, we're on it.
C'mon, guys. Somebody gave an aardvark a nose-cut: somebody who
can't deal
to include something of similar
length to the GNU Manifesto is completely wrong, IMO.
But you've repeatedly ignored such objections as peripheral, so whatever.
Cheers,
aj
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just follow
number (1) above, the problem would evaporate.
Take some responsibility. It's your mailer. It's you that's violating
list policy. It's your problem. It's you that has to fix it.
Cheers,
aj
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