Re: free source code which requires non-free tools to build (dscaler modules for tvtime)

2003-09-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 04:58:15PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:01:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: A split of the tvtime upstream distribution is necessary no matter what; but as I understand it, the bit that would go into contrib could be omitted entirely

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-10 Thread Branden Robinson
a question mark about transparency (might not be relevant) and a problem with use of invariant sections in some (all?) FSF manuals (is relevant) which has no sign of being addressed. The COPYING IN QUANTITY business still rubs me the wrong way. -- G. Branden Robinson| We either

[OFFTOPIC] Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-10 Thread Branden Robinson
. I can't promise I'll remember on every message. The header is called Mail-Followup-To:. -- G. Branden Robinson| Reality is what refuses to go away Debian GNU/Linux | when I stop believing in it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Philip K. Dick

Re: Preferred license for documentation

2003-09-10 Thread Branden Robinson
don't you post the license text in a new thread and we can sink our teeth into it? Now that I've relieved myself of my LPPL analysis obligation, I'm ready for a new challenge. It may help distract me from the GNU FDL discussion, which I think Bruce would like to see. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
] http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution -- G. Branden Robinson| What influenced me to atheism was Debian GNU/Linux | reading the Bible cover to cover. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Twice. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- J. Michael

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 08:53:06AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:24:00PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: I think that Richard addressed already several of the recurrent questions from debian-legal. Can we move forward

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
the DFSG tells us nothing else about them. I must confess to some disappointment in the cogency of your reasoning. -- G. Branden Robinson| Intellectual property is neither Debian GNU/Linux | intellectual nor property. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 02:40:08AM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a postscript, could you please summarize, to the debian-private list, the efforts you've made to date to bring the parties to the table, apart from those we've already seen

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
-neutral in this respect. You can submit a proposal for reverting the change, if you're serious. But the proper list for discussion of this point is debian-policy. :) -- G. Branden Robinson|It is the responsibility of Debian GNU/Linux |intellectuals to tell

Re: old and new GNU documentation licenses, and the some of the manuals to which they apply

2003-09-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:16:51PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: This license is obviously (to me) DFSG-free: * There are no use or copying (as such) restrictions at all. * Permission to modify is unfettered except for preservation of license terms. * Permission to redistribute

Re: old and new GNU documentation licenses, and the some of the manuals to which they apply

2003-09-08 Thread Branden Robinson
else under the GNU GPL. Thanks for reiterating the point though. It is worth repeating. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Bother, said Pooh, as he was [EMAIL PROTECTED] | assimilated by the Borg. http://people.debian.org

Re: old and new GNU documentation licenses, and the some of the manuals to which they apply

2003-09-08 Thread Branden Robinson
[ Mailing list admins, please see the end of this message. ] On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:11:16AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:16:51PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: * GAWK: The GNU Awk User's Guide; Edition 2, for the 3.0.3 (or later) version of the GNU

Re: old and new GNU documentation licenses, and the some of the manuals to which they apply

2003-09-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:08:34AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:06:01AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Yes, though it should be kept in mind that the GPL-incompatibility problem remains. We *still* won't be able to drop hunks of these manuals

Re: Bug#181493: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-09-08 Thread Branden Robinson
feature set than I do, though, so I'll let him speak to that. -- G. Branden Robinson| The software said it required Debian GNU/Linux | Windows 3.1 or better, so I [EMAIL PROTECTED] | installed Linux. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: Bug#181493: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-09-08 Thread Branden Robinson
, with nothing but hearsay evidence of anything to the contrary. -- G. Branden Robinson| Communism is just one step on the Debian GNU/Linux | long road from capitalism to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | capitalism. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: Bug#181493: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-09-08 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson| Men are born ignorant, not stupid. Debian GNU/Linux | They are made stupid by education. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Bertrand Russell http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpobEgDNyKWL.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#181493: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-09-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 09:56:03PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 02:20:02AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: For the Release Manager: What standard do you set for the repudiation of the aforementioned hearsay? Why is he setting it at all? I don't think that giving

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 09:56:46PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Branden Robinson presumes that the GNU Project's decision to stop endorsing Debian must be meant as a form of pressure. Again, I fear you have distorted my statements. I made no preumption on this point; I made a hypothesis

Re: Bug#181493: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
is going to be open-ended.) -- G. Branden Robinson| The only way to get rid of a Debian GNU/Linux | temptation is to yield to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Oscar Wilde http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpOMUboCiS23.pgp

Re: stepping in between Debian and FSF

2003-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg01022.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg01210.html [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2003/debian-project-200308/msg00089.html -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux

analysis of latest LPPL revision (2/2)

2003-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
to make reasonable conjectures as to which files comprise the Work. END OF ANALYSIS Whew! I apologize again for the stupidly long delay. Thank you again for your boundless patience. -- G. Branden Robinson| Human beings rarely imagine a god Debian GNU/Linux

Re: stepping in between Debian and FSF

2003-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
the utility of the documentation. Well, in that case there's tons of non-DFSG-free stuff that we can start moving into main. If utility is sufficient to excuse non-DFSG-freeness, then we don't really need the DFSG at all. -- G. Branden Robinson| The key to being a Southern

Re: free source code which requires non-free tools to build (dscaler modules for tvtime)

2003-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
it, the bit that would go into contrib could be omitted entirely. I presume the maintainer wants to go ahead and provide the contrib components as a service to our users. -- G. Branden Robinson| The key to being a Southern Debian GNU/Linux | Baptist: It ain't

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
, so he shall be far more credible than random subscriber of debian-legal. So, it may as well be seen as the test case for the DFSG as for the GFDL. When I looked up Appeal to Authority in my _Basic Logical Fallacies_ textbook, I saw the above. -- G. Branden Robinson| Don't use

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
, or simply invalid. -- G. Branden Robinson| You are not angry with people when Debian GNU/Linux | you laugh at them. Humor teaches [EMAIL PROTECTED] | them tolerance. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- W. Somerset Maugham

Re: Bug#181493: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 05:17:28PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 03:15:05PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: You ground your argument on second hand reports of clarifications in the first quoted paragraph, but then expect debian-legal to furnish first-hand clarifications

Re: Inline text not URLs for licenses (was: Re: Is the OSL DFSG free?)

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
it yet. /me hangs his head shamefacedly so he doesn't have to look Frank Mittelbach in the face -- G. Branden Robinson|Ambition: an overmastering desire Debian GNU/Linux |to be vilified by enemies while [EMAIL PROTECTED] |living

Re: stepping in between Debian and FSF

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
of this nature is palatable to two organizations that each claim so stridently to be founded on principle. I am, however, hopeful for the future. Thanks for your efforts. -- G. Branden Robinson| It's not a matter of alienating Debian GNU/Linux | authors

Re: stepping in between Debian and FSF

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
empowered being willing to exercise that power. I'm not even sure that that would be an appropriate course of action at this point, as thanks to Manoj Srivastava we really do appear to be making concrete procedural progress again. -- G. Branden Robinson|If you make people think

Re: stepping in between Debian and FSF

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 11:34:03AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: I am _not_ calling for horse-trading between the two organizations. Oops, that will teach me not to read the whole thread before replying... -- G. Branden Robinson| The key to being a Southern Debian GNU/Linux

Re: legalities of distributing debian pre-installed iso images.

2003-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
to your costs, and rest easy without any three-year obligations. -- G. Branden Robinson|People are equally horrified at Debian GNU/Linux |hearing the Christian religion [EMAIL PROTECTED] |doubted, and at seeing it http://people.debian.org

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:56:58PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: I have seven questions for you based on this episode: Branden is trying to make innocent things look bad; shame on him. This is an assertion without foundation. If you feel there are implicit

Re: UnrealIRCd License (Click-Through issue)

2003-09-02 Thread Branden Robinson
professionalism among judges. (Not every state does this, and this does not occur in the federal courts.) -- G. Branden Robinson|A committee is a life form with six Debian GNU/Linux |or more legs and no brain. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 10:41:37PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): * To my knowledge, in the U.S, a statement from all the copyright holders of a work is sufficient to place it in the public domain, if they want to do so before it would otherwise

Re: Is the OSL DFSG free?

2003-09-02 Thread Branden Robinson
software. I would even see it as valid that it violates Section 9 of the DFSG (License Must Not Contaminate Other Software). When referring to a license, it's useful to provide a URL to the text of the license in question. -- G. Branden Robinson|As people do better

GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
*except* challenge the freeness of GNU FDL to lose your endorsement? -- G. Branden Robinson| There is no gravity in space. Debian GNU/Linux | Then how could astronauts walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | around on the Moon? http

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
a couple of months ago why they are smaller.) None of us have ever considered saying that the 4-clause BSD license is non-free, or suggesting that programs under such licenses should be removed from Debian main. I've considered it. -- G. Branden Robinson|Somebody once

Re: Is the Nokia Open Source License DFSG compliant?

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 07:29:42PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: I don't think the MPL was ever properly reviewed here :( I don't think it was, but IMO it is not a DFSG-compatible license. -- G. Branden Robinson|The basic test of freedom is Debian GNU/Linux

Re: GPL preamble removal

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
think; change some whitespace.) I asked for clarification on this point months ago. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200305/msg00091.html From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: the GPL FAQ

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
. Branden Robinson|I have a truly elegant proof of the Debian GNU/Linux |above, but it is too long to fit [EMAIL PROTECTED] |into this .signature file. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpc0vZ0cigA9.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
. Branden Robinson| I suspect Linus wrote that in a Debian GNU/Linux | complicated way only to be able to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | have that comment in there. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Lars Wirzenius pgpCvnh8blham.pgp

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
in the case of corporations[1]). [1] This parenthetical is a facetious exaggeration. I think. -- G. Branden Robinson| No math genius, eh? Then perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | you could explain to me where you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | got

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-31 Thread Branden Robinson
not until we have some sort of equivalent of a public legislative record of our past decisions. Given the way we operate, most of the time I doubt we'll have such a thing. -- G. Branden Robinson|As people do better, they start Debian GNU/Linux |voting

Re: Is the Nokia Open Source License DFSG compliant?

2003-08-31 Thread Branden Robinson
is redistributed without the need for execution of an additional license by those parties. -- G. Branden Robinson|Men use thought only to justify Debian GNU/Linux |their wrong doings, and speech only [EMAIL PROTECTED] |to conceal their thoughts

Re: Is the Nokia Open Source License DFSG compliant?

2003-08-31 Thread Branden Robinson
copyright doesn't even appear in the DFSG. Anything which is used to abridge the freedoms that attach to Free Software violates the DFSG. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | // // // / / [EMAIL PROTECTED] | EI

Re: Is the Nokia Open Source License DFSG compliant?

2003-08-31 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 01:51:55PM -0600, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: # Distribution of License The rights attached to the program must apply to all to whom the program is redistributed without the need for execution of an additional license by those parties

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
. Branden Robinson| The Rehnquist Court has never Debian GNU/Linux | encountered a criminal statute it [EMAIL PROTECTED] | did not like. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- John Dean pgpTywlFlzAKZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: documentation eq software ?

2003-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
are. -- G. Branden Robinson|The best place to hide something is Debian GNU/Linux |in documentation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Ethan Benson http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpoUJq9Rku7X.pgp Description: PGP signature

[HUMOR] Re: documentation eq software ?

2003-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
, called it _Babylon 5_, and didn't get sued. /flamebait -- G. Branden Robinson| The key to being a Southern Debian GNU/Linux | Baptist: It ain't a sin if you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | don't get caught. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: [was A possible GFDL compromise] documentation eq software ?

2003-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
. Lenin? (If you don't get this, move on...) -- G. Branden Robinson|Build a fire for a man, and he'll Debian GNU/Linux |be warm for a day. Set a man on [EMAIL PROTECTED] |fire, and he'll be warm for the http://people.debian.org

[DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:17:46PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 01:09 US/Eastern, Branden Robinson wrote: [why to the mailing list...?] So people can verify the results for themselves, and will be less likely to accuse me of falsifying the results. Or so I

[RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
-legal-200308/msg01214.html [3] http://www.debian.org/social_contract -- G. Branden Robinson|Ambition: an overmastering desire Debian GNU/Linux |to be vilified by enemies while [EMAIL PROTECTED] |living and ridiculed by friends http

Re: Documentation and Sarge's Release Critical Policy

2003-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
wouldn't ship these files at all. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200112/msg00250.html -- G. Branden Robinson|There is no housing shortage in Debian GNU/Linux |Lincoln today -- just a rumor that [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
for a performance of any kind, of itself, to be encapsulated in a data package. As far as recordings/transcriptions/etc. of performances go, I don't see why they wouldn't be covered fairly straightforwardly under these criteria. -- G. Branden Robinson|Of two competing

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
that documentation should be judged by a different standard than the DFSG. What's your threshold of statistical significance? I'd like to know for the purposes of commentary on my final survey reponse summary, which I can produce about 12 hours from now if I'm still awake. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Licence oddity in Securing Debian Manual (was: Proposed addition to Debian web pages re: GNU FDL)

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
not the case here. Please file a bug against www.debian.org, and feel free to quote this message. -- G. Branden Robinson|As people do better, they start Debian GNU/Linux |voting like Republicans -- unless [EMAIL PROTECTED] |they have

Re: Proposed addition to Debian web pages re: GNU FDL

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
' GPG signatures) since I'm tallying by hand. The margins look large so I don't expect a minor tabulation error to affect the outcome, but it's still good to be accurate. -- G. Branden Robinson| Organized religion is a sham and a Debian GNU/Linux | crutch

Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
to software, not patented technology, and since the Debian Free Software Guidelines therefore do not apply, patented technology is perfectly acceptable for inclusion in the Debian GNU/Linux Distribution. However, that's not *my* opinion. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| When I die I want

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
a bunch of code to it, maybe something really handy like the ability to run Win32 apps natively. Won't happen with Linux -- please review the license applied to the Linux kernel. It's missing a certain phrase. -- G. Branden Robinson|If a man ate a pound of pasta and a Debian

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
^^ Um, where in the world can *ideas* be copyrightable? Indeed. I'm glad to see the disposition of #181493 is in such assertive hands. -- G. Branden Robinson|It is the responsibility of Debian GNU/Linux |intellectuals to tell

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
freedom lives! I would only suggest s/text/content/, so that non-texual material (illustrations and so forth) are also unambiguously covered. [analysis snipped] Bravo. -- G. Branden Robinson|I am sorry, but what you have Debian GNU/Linux |mistaken

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 06:41:26PM +0200, Sergey Spiridonov wrote: According to your statement, any license do not put any restriction on user. It does a copyright law. GPL lifts some limits to restrict users. So does FDL. Not enough to make it Free. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
requirment of the inclusion of Invariant Sections is not waived when the material quoted from the manual, or the manual itself, is not large. -- G. Branden Robinson| One doesn't have a sense of humor. Debian GNU/Linux | It has you. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
with the coherence of a Markov-chain-based conversation simulator. -- G. Branden Robinson|Religion is regarded by the common Debian GNU/Linux |people as true, by the wise as [EMAIL PROTECTED] |false, and by the rulers as useful. http

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson| Intellectual property is neither Debian GNU/Linux | intellectual nor property. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Discuss. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Linda Richman pgpZPr49Cs1UD.pgp Description: PGP

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
. :) Maybe it was Utah... -- G. Branden Robinson| Communism is just one step on the Debian GNU/Linux | long road from capitalism to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | capitalism. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Russian saying

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:40:27PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-08-27 21:14:42 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would only suggest s/text/content/, so that non-texual material (illustrations and so forth) are also unambiguously covered. content is rather, uh, vague. How

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
. Such things are very hard to estimate. What is clear is that one does not use a viewer program to read a manual published on paper. If one is blind, and does not have access to a Braille version of the manual in question, one might do that very thing. -- G. Branden Robinson| There's

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
. The OPL (Open Publication License), predates the GNU FDL. The GNU FDL was written in part as a reaction to the OPL. -- G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux | willfully entering an arse-kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Documentation and Sarge's Release Critical Policy

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
when people point out your distortions, isn't it? Makes it considerably more difficult to cheat fair and sqaure. -- G. Branden Robinson| There's nothing an agnostic can't Debian GNU/Linux | do if he doesn't know whether he [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 03:10:35PM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:26, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:03:13AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:03, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
the goal, and that _some_ cure is worse than the desease? There's no point in asking that question. People seldom come to doubt their own means retrospectively. -- G. Branden Robinson| That's the saving grace of humor: Debian GNU/Linux | if you fail, no one

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
: s/Almost always/Usually/ s/rare // Perhaps my perception of the frequency of exceptional cases is distorted by the fact that I subscribe to debian-legal, though. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| You could wire up a dead rat to a Debian GNU/Linux | DIMM

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
as vanishingly unlikely. Personally, I consider the possibility of anyone being able to get away with a defense of that form exceedinly unlikely. Ah, the argument from personal incredulity. -- G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Freaky copyright laws [was: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free]

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:05:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: * Copyright requires the protected subject to be original. I think that principle is unique to the U.S.; in fact, that's the whole *point* of this subthread! -- G. Branden Robinson| No math genius, eh

Re: Bug#181493: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
the DFSG on its face. The burden of proof is on those who claim it's been clarified to come up with evidence of such. This is the converse of the old UWash Pine license issue, where UWash took a license that was DFSG-free on its face and interpreted it in a non-free way. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Decision GFDL

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
establishes, I cannot say. If that particular issue[1] remains divisive even afterwards, we may require a General Resolution to settle it. [1] not to be confused with should we apply the DFSG to the GNU FDL *at all*? -- G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you

Re: Freaky copyright laws [was: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free]

2003-08-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 10:39:02PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: There have been efforts in the U.S. to undo the effects of _Feist_ through legislation. One example is the Collections of Information Antipiracy Act[1]. (I don't think that bill passed.) Lobbyists apparently tried to get

Re: Freaky copyright laws [was: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free]

2003-08-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:42:28PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 10:39:02PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I thought basically every place outside the U.S. was like that. Several times when the U.S. Supreme Court decision of _Feist v. Rural Telephone Service Co

Re: Documentation and Sarge's Release Critical Policy

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
would succeed or fail? -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If encryption is outlawed, only [EMAIL PROTECTED] | outlaws will @goH7Ok=q4fDj]Kz?. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpQrezGVzuwi.pgp Description: PGP signature

[STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
developers are people who claimed to be Debian Developers but did not have a well-formed GPG signature on their responses, so I was unable to verify their claims. -- G. Branden Robinson|Ambition: an overmastering desire Debian GNU/Linux |to be vilified

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: We also have essentially the same license with ttf-bitstream-vera. IMO, that isn't Free Software, either. -- G. Branden Robinson| One doesn't have a sense of humor. Debian GNU/Linux | It has

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
not distribute this product alone. -- G. Branden Robinson| Organized religion is a sham and a Debian GNU/Linux | crutch for weak-minded people who [EMAIL PROTECTED] | need strength in numbers. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
unhelpful and unsupportive of your thesis. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Please do not look directly into [EMAIL PROTECTED] | laser with remaining eye. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpLU4a1UkQb4.pgp Description: PGP

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If ignorance is bliss, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | is omniscience hell? http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgp62z5djjdud.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
as we don't actually modify the license terms. There's no difference between these two things. Not that it has any relevant to the current discussion. I think we've argued about this before. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200206/msg00157.html -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 02:45:14AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: By contrast, modifying the program to look exactly like another one, say the source code to Windows solitaire, is already prohibited by copyright Not always. -- G. Branden Robinson|It was a typical net.exercise

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
, he has been known to accuse Debian Developers of violating clause 4 of the Debian Social Contract (Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software) if they don't act on a bug report he has filed fast enough to suit him. I would, therefore, not expect him to take your advice. -- G. Branden

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 08:55:17AM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote: Aside from one secondhand comment on this list, ...which was itself hearsay... I've seen no indication that the FSF is amenable to any discussion of possible changes. -- G. Branden Robinson| To stay young

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
, and perhaps some clarification added to ensure that secure transport channels between distributor and distributee were not a problem, this particular problem might go away. -- G. Branden Robinson|Build a fire for a man, and he'll Debian GNU/Linux |be warm

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
CD-* medium sold. -- G. Branden Robinson| No math genius, eh? Then perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | you could explain to me where you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | got these... PENROSE TILES! http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Stephen R

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
the text of the license as written and consider its implications. It will not always be the FSF enforcing the terms of this license. -- G. Branden Robinson|There is no housing shortage in Debian GNU/Linux |Lincoln today -- just a rumor that [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:23:40AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 04:30:11PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Please catch up on the archives of this list for the past year or so. Which is unfortunately not, to me, a very helpful suggestion, as I do not have the days

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
Nietzsche -- G. Branden Robinson| No math genius, eh? Then perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | you could explain to me where you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | got these... PENROSE TILES! http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Stephen R. Notley

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 08:32:08PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:54:53 -0500 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If make or were stricken, and perhaps some clarification added to ensure that secure transport channels between distributor and distributee were

Re: Freaky copyright laws [was: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free]

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 10:29:40PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 04:12:08PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I freely admit that this analysis is grounded on U.S.-centric notions of reverse engineering and originality as a relevant concept to copyright. In other

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
lawyers, we don't render legal advice, get your own lawyer if you want a legal opinion per se, etc. [2] http://www.debian.org/social_contract -- G. Branden Robinson| Don't use nuclear weapons to Debian GNU/Linux | troubleshoot faults. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
on the same medium must be free software. -- G. Branden Robinson|I had thought very carefully about Debian GNU/Linux |committing hara-kiri over this, but [EMAIL PROTECTED] |I overslept this morning. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson|Of two competing theories or Debian GNU/Linux |explanations, all other things [EMAIL PROTECTED] |being equal, the simpler one is to http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |be preferred. -- Occam's Razor

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
years. -- G. Branden Robinson|If you make people think they're Debian GNU/Linux |thinking, they'll love you; but if [EMAIL PROTECTED] |you really make them think, they'll http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |hate you

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