Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-11 Thread Bram Moolenaar
. == -- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. -- Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) (1835-1910) /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-10 Thread Bram Moolenaar
.] INSPECTOR END OF FILM: (picks up megaphone) All right! Clear off! Go on! Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-10 Thread Bram Moolenaar
he notices the cameras.] INSPECTOR END OF FILM: (to Camera) All right, put that away sonny. [He walks over to it and puts his hand over the lens.] Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-10 Thread Bram Moolenaar
sound they make as they go flying by. -- Douglas Adams /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans in Uganda - http://iccf

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-10 Thread Bram Moolenaar
INTERESTED IN BURNING WITCHES), A QUITE EXTRAORDINARILY RUDE FRENCHMAN, TIM THE WIZARD, SIR LAUNCELOT Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-09 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:24:15AM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: This is in the new draft: e) When the GNU General Public License applies to the changes, you can distribute the modified Vim under the GNU General Public License. I'll send out

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-09 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Mark Wielaard wrote: On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 11:24, Bram Moolenaar wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: In section 2: a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. The problem

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-09 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:54:30AM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: e) When the GNU General Public License applies to the changes, you can distribute the modified Vim under the GNU General Public License. What if I have a copy

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-08 Thread Bram Moolenaar
when you're a king, you know. Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-08 Thread Bram Moolenaar
) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans in Uganda - http://iccf-holland.org ///

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-08 Thread Bram Moolenaar
. /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans in Uganda - http://iccf-holland.org ///

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas Bushnell wrote: Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, so Debian has written and signed permission from all copyright holders? Don't think so... I don't know how valid the copyright and license remarks in the files are. There are quite a few files without a license

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
must not restrict others from making their own changes to the official version of Vim. -- ARTHUR: Ni! BEDEVERE: Nu! ARTHUR: No. Ni! More like this. Ni! BEDEVERE: Ni, ni, ni! Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
of the license is worthless. I will have to think about this, and ask Vim developers what they think of it. -- Life is a gift, living is an art. (Bram Moolenaar) /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
library doesn't use the LGPL. It's annoying for people who link software with it. -- It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere. /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans in Uganda - http://iccf-holland.org ///

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-07 Thread Bram Moolenaar
foul and cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair ... Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Bram Moolenaar
... CONCORDE: Dramatically, sir? LAUNCELOT: Dramatically. Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Bram Moolenaar
. /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans in Uganda - http://iccf-holland.org ///

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-05 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm wrote: Yes. Thus if you add code and put it under the GPL, then the GPL would apply to the whole (if I understand the GPL correctly). So the question is if this would cause a conflict with the Vim

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Bram Moolenaar
] That is why I am your king! The Quest for the Holy Grail (Monty Python) /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Bram Moolenaar
CBuilder to do a full install. Looks like I got a fool install, instead. Charles E Campbell, Jr, PhD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas Bushnell wrote: Ah yes, I missed that last part. So it does seem to me that it is not GPL compatible, as long as it wants to reserve the right to include changes in future vim distributions, which themselves

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-03 Thread Bram Moolenaar
it together with other software. -- FATHER:Who are you? PRINCE:I'm ... your son ... FATHER:Not you. LAUNCELOT: I'm ... er ... Sir Launcelot, sir. Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-03 Thread Bram Moolenaar
of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound coconut. The Quest for the Holy Grail (Monty Python) /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-03 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:18:26PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: Theoretically this would be possible. However, for the software to be distributed with another license every person that contributed would have to agree with it, since each person has the copyright

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-03 Thread Bram Moolenaar
of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeator of the Saxons, sovereign of all England! GUARD #1: Pull the other one! The Quest for the Holy Grail (Monty Python) /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim

draft for new Vim license

2002-01-03 Thread Bram Moolenaar
-- ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet! WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is? ARTHUR: I am your king! The Quest for the Holy Grail (Monty Python) /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-02 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:27:46PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: It also does not require that I send the changes to the maintainer. That's the sticking point. The GPL requires you to make the source code available to every user. That's quite bit stickier

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-02 Thread Bram Moolenaar
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Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-02 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem with this is that it's not really fair towards people who help me developing Vim. I want it to be clear what can happen with the source code they contribute. Just mentioning that anything can happen

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-02 Thread Bram Moolenaar
screaming. SECOND SENTRY: Hey! Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans in Uganda

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
: Yes - do us all a favour. Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net \\\ ((( Creator of Vim -- http://vim.sf.net -- ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim ))) \\\ Help me helping AIDS orphans in Uganda

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas Bushnell wrote: Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim, with executables and/or source code, when the following conditions are met. If you distribute a modified version of Vim, you are encouraged to make it available

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas - Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is so, then there are these possibilities: - Nobody has a copy of this modified version. Then it doesn't exist and the license doesn't apply. Wrong, the paragraph says that if you distribute a modified version, then you

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
. And here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment ... you must tie her down on a bed ... and spank her. Come! GIRLS: A spanking! A spanking! Monty Python and the Holy Grail PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD /// Bram Moolenaar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.moolenaar.net

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are not allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim when you are not willing to make the source code available to the maintainer or do not want to let him decide what to do with your changes. This is non-free

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2001-12-31 Thread Bram Moolenaar
is negotiable. You are not allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim when you are not willing to make the source code available to the maintainer or do not want to let him decide what to do with your changes. The current maintainer is Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]. If this changes