Re: AbiWord, trademarks, and DFSG-freeness

2004-10-17 Thread D. Starner
Jacobo Tarrio wrote: Oops, I have just thought of a case where it isn't so, at least in Spain. The Spanish trade mark law allows the owner of a trademark to prohibit its removal from a product. That's true in the US, too; http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew112.php says: In order to

Re: Web application licenses

2004-07-30 Thread D. Starner
Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the Department of Transportation need to make stoplight software generally available? While I do think government software should always be Free Software and distributed to the public, I would not really classify that case as direct

Re: Help about texture inclueded in stellarium

2004-07-20 Thread D. Starner
The international copyright treaties, if I am not mistaken, only grant copyrights to works which are capable of being subject to copyright in their 'home countries'. It's not that simple. The US, for one, recognizes copyrights on works under copyright under US law that aren't in copyright

Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL

2004-07-19 Thread D. Starner
What request ? And i doubt you can prove to the judge you ever made that request to me. I bought a commerical on cable asking for modifiers to send me their changes. I believe he was watching at that time. Then, since you have no right to stay silent in civil court, the judge can turn to you

Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL

2004-07-19 Thread D. Starner
Sven Luther writes: Sorry, but i don't believe such a request is legally binding. I do. More to the point, neither of us is the judge who's going to be judging this. It's much safer to interpret a license literally and slightly broadly, then to try and guess what is and isn't legally

Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread D. Starner
not wanting to give the modification back to upstream and thus to the community at large. I'm happy giving back to the community at large. I'm not happy giving back to anyone who demands the capability to take my modifications proprietary, especially not if they won't give me the same options.

Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread D. Starner
after you (plural and impersonal you) all dragged me into this mud pit I've have watched many extended arguments, and participated in many myself. When I get involved in an argument like you have, it's a clear sign I have too much time on my hands or I'm avoiding work. If you are concerned

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-06 Thread D. Starner
Now, the whole idea of applying the same freeness criteria to what I call non-software content, looks like a complete nonsense to me, Can we give it up? We've had at least a year of discussion on this subject, then a vote, then long flame-wars all over the place, then another vote, since people

Re: Is SystemC license compatible with the GPL ?

2004-05-06 Thread D. Starner
gcc is LGPL. Diego I don't know where you got that idea, but it's wrong. Some of the libraries may be LGPL, but the compiler itself is very much GPL, to the point that RMS doesn't want people adding interfaces that might make it easier to use a GCC frontend by itself without linking to GCC.

Re: Font source Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-30 Thread D. Starner
Stephen Frost writes: Of course it could. Writing an assembler would probably take some serious effort too without knowing that information. To some extent that's my point- are we going to require hardware specifications for anything that uses firmware? Personally I don't think we need to,

Font source Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-29 Thread D. Starner
People have argued that since there exists open source tools for editing fonts, font files should be considered their own source, even if Font Foundries have their own preferred source formats and use propietary tools to create font files via a compilation process. But the TrueType files

Re: Font source Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-29 Thread D. Starner
Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not like there's a whole lot of difference between the assembly and the binary in this case. Write a QD disassembler and extract the assembly if you want. Even if we were talking about x86 assembly, there would still be a lot of difference

Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-28 Thread D. Starner
On Feb 26, 2004, at 12:35, Branden Robinson wrote: Not true. Governments can (and have) passed legislation to yank a work out of the public domain and put it back under copyright. Anthony DeRobertis wrote in response: cough Mickey Mouse Copyright Extension Act cough No; the MMCEA (or

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-10 Thread D. Starner
How then, can someone who tacks on the GPL, because he's seen it before, and it's supposed to be a good choice, know exactly what he really wants? I'm not talking about GNU Readline here, I'm talking about numerous small projects having nothing to do with the FSF and their grand scheme.

Re: GFDL

2003-10-04 Thread D. Starner
Initially, back in 50s-60s-70s all software was free software I've read that while programs may not have been covered by copyright, they were frequently covered by contracts promising the wrath of the selling company if there were copies made. This lead us to the important point. Free

Early Software Free?

2003-10-04 Thread D. Starner
Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Initially, back in 50s-60s-70s all software was free software. Proprietary software come into being only after computer programs was copyrighted. Computer programs was copyrighted relatively late, in 1976 year in USA, in 1991 year in Russia and maybe even

Re: GFDL

2003-09-30 Thread D. Starner
Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know many modern (not public domain) political texts of any source, which is freely [unlimited] modifiable? When I first ran across the GPL, it was such a surprising license that I printed it out and showed it to a friend (who was less impressed.)

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-09-27 Thread D. Starner
it's extremely questionable to try to interpret preferred form for modification as preferred form for modification, or any form, no matter how unreasonable it is to edit, if the preferred form for modification has been lost. The preferred form for modification is not the form we'd like to

Re: Respect for Upstream Authors and Snippets of Interest

2003-09-27 Thread D. Starner
Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Barak Pearlmutter said on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 07:31:14PM -0600,: In a recent message to this list, RMS mentioned that people had stated that Debian would remove all non-modifiable but removable text from Debian packages: If Debian does not,

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-09-26 Thread D. Starner
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:25:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: We should allow it if source code once existed but no longer exists (all the copies of the source code were wiped accidentally at some time in the past). So it's okay to ignore

GFDL

2003-09-22 Thread D. Starner
RMS writes: However, I don't follow the DFSG, nor an interpretation of the DFSG that labels documentation as software; so I don't have an artificial reason to insist on identical criteria for freedom for manuals and for programs. This is not merely an artifical reason. If someone added a

Re: A WDL.

2003-09-18 Thread D. Starner
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 03:44:41PM -0500, D. Starner wrote: I also have no idea what direction to render the text (left-to-right or right-to-left). The standard tells me. There are DFSG-free data files that include all the normative information like this. Run locate UnicodeData -- I

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread D. Starner
The arguments appear to be: 1) There are many GFDL manuals. 2) The many GFDL manuals would be useful to include. That's two parts out of the three I mentioned, and the third part is crucial. But they are an irrelevant two parts. If Joe Blow writes a license for his program or

Re: A WDL.

2003-09-17 Thread D. Starner
I also have no idea what direction to render the text (left-to-right or right-to-left). The standard tells me. There are DFSG-free data files that include all the normative information like this. Run locate UnicodeData -- I have 5 copies from Debian packages. It's not terribly human-readable,

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-16 Thread D. Starner
If the license for the code did not allow modification, you could not make it implement different behavior. You would substantively lack the ability to change the functionality. That is a lack of real freedom. I fail to see how this differs from an invariant section. (We can't add a change

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread D. Starner
The fact that you're talking about a hypothetical example decades away suggests that this is not a major issue. But we can consider the issue anyway. In this case, part of the reason for using a hypothetical is the fact the only people using extended Invariant Sections is the FSF, and it's

Unidentified subject!

2003-09-14 Thread D. Starner
It adds some practical inconvenience, but practically speaking the magnitude is not great, so there's no reason not to do it. Let's say I write a (GPL) compiler for Perl 2045, and someone writing a (GPL) sample implemenation of Fortran 2045 wants to borrow my regex code. They can do so; the