Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
MJ Ray wrote: More than unfortunate, it makes that ambition impossible without telepathy or further surveying, as far as I can see. There seems little point just guessing what motives produced a pi=3 statement. It isn't quite as bad as pi = 3, as there is certainly some abiguity in both the DFSG

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 11:01:19PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: I propose that the Project is telling us that something along the following is the true reading: You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading or further copying [by the

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Joe Buck wrote: That is, the necessity to make a written offer good for three years is sometimes painful, as is the necessity to keep a transparent copy available for one year. I did not understand why debian-legal found the latter provision a DFSG violation. We found both of them to be DFSG

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 01:11:45 -0700 Joe Buck wrote: That is, the necessity to make a written offer good for three years is sometimes painful, There's no such necessity in the GNU GPL v2. GPLv2, section 3 offers three alternative paths, only one of which requires that you make a written offer,

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2006-03-12, Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't see how Debian can comply with keeping the source to every version for a year In kde-related packages (and probably also in gnome-related) have the help files distributed in some docbook format - and the help thingie is a

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:23:32 -0500 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: [...] However, maybe once we come up with a way to reconcile the Project's decision with the text of the DFSG and GFDL, we should ask the project to approve it (assumably via GR). I'm not sure I understand what you mean... Could you

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:15:40 -0500 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Joey Hess wrote: Attempts to legislate pi are always questionable, and when you ask a majority of uninformed voters[3] to choose between items, it's natural for the compromise to win, and not unheard of for it to end up 3.

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Buck wrote: That is, the necessity to make a written offer good for three years is sometimes painful, as is the necessity to keep a transparent copy available for one year. I did not understand why debian-legal found the latter provision a DFSG

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Francesco Poli wrote: I'm definitely not happy: on the contrary, I'm really depressed... :-((( Well, I must say I'm not depressed about it --- that'd be if Amendment B passed. Or even got majority. I can understand how the average developer can yell nitpicking! at a lot of our objections to

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Josh Triplett
MJ Ray wrote: Personally, I find it disappointing that so many people ranked opposite views high, then FD below them. I think the no, no matter what description of FD in the ballot is unhelpful and deters compromise attempts. I also tend to think that the presence of the absurd free in all

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:23:32 -0500 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: [...] However, maybe once we come up with a way to reconcile the Project's decision with the text of the DFSG and GFDL, we should ask the project to approve it (assumably via GR). I'm not sure I

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-12 Thread Josh Triplett
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: The Project essentially told us our conclusion — the GFDL is not free — is wrong in the case where there are no invariant sections. The Project did not tell us why. There are several ways we can take this: 1. The Project intends this to be a one-time thing,

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-11 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Debian Project Secretary wrote: The winners are: Option 2 GFDL-licensed works without unmodifiable sections are free Well, first off, I'm happy to see Option 3 failed to even meet majority; chaos is preserved for another day.[0] However, Option 1 was the consensus of this list, and thus

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: I believe there are essentially two reconciliations we can have for each problem listed in the position statement [2]: Either that does not make things non-free or that is not the intended reading of the license, stop nit-picking so much. Or

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-11 Thread Andrew Donnellan
Option 2 says GFDL works without invariant sections are free. Does this include GFDL manuals where the *only* invariant section is the GFDL itself? (If I was a DD I would vote for Option 2 myself, and I think that it is acceptable to have a requirement that the license itself be included and not

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