Re: TrueCrypt License 2.5
Philipp Hübner schrieb: > The click-wrap mechanism wouldn't be a problem, sun-java does the same. > If this is the only difficulty I'd give it a try. sun-java is in non-free. Click-wrap licensee mechanisms makes the license non-free if you are not allowed to remove this mechanism from the source code - if you are allowed to remove it from the source, then do it and it is fine. -- /* Mit freundlichem Gruß / With kind regards, Patrick Matthäi E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment: Always if we think we are right, we were maybe wrong. */ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TrueCrypt License 2.5
Philipp Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If else, would a self-written "truecrypt-packaging package" like > googleearth-package go into main or has it to go into contrib? A package ‘foo’ which has the primary purpose of downloading and installing non-free software ‘bar’ is not suitable for category ‘main’. If ‘foo’ is itself DFSG-free, it may be suitable for category ‘contrib’. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-sections> -- \ “To punish me for my contempt of authority, Fate has made me an | `\ authority myself.” —Albert Einstein, 1930-09-18 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TrueCrypt License 2.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Francesco Poli schrieb: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:50:51 +0200 Philipp Hübner wrote: >> I'm sure that TrueCrypt would not be accepted for Debian (main), but is >> it alright for non-free? > > I am not sure, the click-wrap obligations could be a practical issue, > even for non-free... > Anyway, I am not overly interested in checking whether something can be > shipped in non-free: I'll wait for others to express their opinion. It seems nobody else is interested. The click-wrap mechanism wouldn't be a problem, sun-java does the same. If this is the only difficulty I'd give it a try. If else, would a self-written "truecrypt-packaging package" like googleearth-package go into main or has it to go into contrib? Kind regards, - -- .''`. Philipp Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debalance%40arcor.de `. `'` HP: http://debalance.funpic.de, Skype: philipp-huebner `- ICQ: 235-524-440, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjrYGAACgkQFhl05MJZ4Oh5cACgkyt9OrfY3uhciPGTEoe4ukzz 8ZwAn1M2fb4H61K9mZfpgXhYsPJHNrBi =jh18 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TrueCrypt License 2.5
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:50:51 +0200 Philipp Hübner wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to know if TrueCrypt 6 would be accepted for non-free. > > I know there have already been 2 threads about the TrueCrypt License: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/06/msg00294.html > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/01/msg00122.html > > > The actual TrueCrypt Licensen Version 2.5 is available at > http://www.truecrypt.org/legal/license which I have pasted for possible > reference. Thanks for quoting the full license text. I don't have enough time for a detailed analysis, unfortunately. A first glance at a wdiff between version 1.2 and version 2.5 of the license shows that, a part from cosmetic changes, things haven't improved much. On the contrary, it seems that the license has become more and more restrictive. Two new restrictions I noticed are the following ones. | V. Trademarks | [...] | Any attempt otherwise to use trademarks associated with | (or applying to) This Product automatically and immediately terminates | Your rights under This License and may constitute trademark infringement | (which may be prosecuted). Trademark infringement terminates all rights under the license. | VI. General Terms and Conditions, Miscellaneous Provisions [...] | 4. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, You may allow a | third party to use Your copy of This Product (or a copy that you make | and distribute, or Your Product, or respective parts thereof) provided | that the third party overtly accepts and agrees to be bound by all terms | and conditions of this License and the third party is not prohibited | from using This Product (or portions thereof) by this License (see, | e.g., Section VI.6) or by applicable law. However, You are not obligated | to ensure that the third party accepts (and agrees to be bound by all | terms of) this License if You distribute only the self-extracting | package (containing This Product) that does not allow the user to | install (nor extract) the files contained in the package until he or she | accepts and agrees to be bound by all terms and conditions of this License. You are forced to make sure people who receive a copy from you agree to be bound by the license, possibly through a click-wrap mechanism. This is not only non-free, but a practical issue as well. With respect to the issues I spotted in version 1.2 (http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/01/msg00136.html), the only thing I saw improved is the vanishing of the Dr B R Gladman's twofish implementation license... > > I'm sure that TrueCrypt would not be accepted for Debian (main), but is > it alright for non-free? I am not sure, the click-wrap obligations could be a practical issue, even for non-free... Anyway, I am not overly interested in checking whether something can be shipped in non-free: I'll wait for others to express their opinion. [...] > Please don't suggest to hint the TrueCrypt guys towards relicensing, > that won't help me (although that would be the best). Their "let's restrict it a bit more" trend is not promising at all... :-( Usual disclaimers: IANAL, TINLA, IANADD, TINASOTODP. -- http://frx.netsons.org/doc/index.html#nanodocs The nano-document series is here! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgpJEv5NeqA2z.pgp Description: PGP signature
TrueCrypt License 2.5
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Hash: SHA1
Hello,
I would like to know if TrueCrypt 6 would be accepted for non-free.
I know there have already been 2 threads about the TrueCrypt License:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/06/msg00294.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/01/msg00122.html
The actual TrueCrypt Licensen Version 2.5 is available at
http://www.truecrypt.org/legal/license which I have pasted for possible
reference.
I'm sure that TrueCrypt would not be accepted for Debian (main), but is
it alright for non-free?
If not, would an installer (e.g. 'truecrypt-package' like
'googleearth-package') be accepted for contrib?
Please don't suggest to hint the TrueCrypt guys towards relicensing,
that won't help me (although that would be the best).
Kind regards,
- --
.''`. Philipp Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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PS: Here's the complete license text:
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