Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-23 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 15 lines which said: Since there's been a lot of talk about the difficulty in making a distinction between software and non-software, do you know how the law you're referring to makes this

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-11 Thread Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that the distortion or mutilation has to hurt the honor or reputation of the author. Here in the Netherlands this is the case if the owner of a house decides to put up new blinds in a color the architect

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People that pass by the house do not know whether the blinds were the architect's design or not. They might remember that the house was designed by him, and then conclude that he was very stupid for putting those ugly blinds on the house.

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sub 2. The work must not be changed or made available to the public in a way or in a context that violates the author's literary or artistic reputation or character. And this is the number one lose for this bogus sort of copyright

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that the distortion or mutilation has to hurt the honor or reputation of the author. Here in the Netherlands this is the case if the owner of a house decides to put up new blinds in a color the architect does not like. Since people

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: [This is starting to shift away from the GFDL so I modified the subject. Georg, I can suppress you from the Cc: if you wish so.] On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 11:25:43PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 29 lines which said: Naturally, I'm

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030501 21:57]: On Thu, 1 May 2003, Bernhard R. Link wrote: I cannot see the problem here. Even if the quoted sub 2 can be applied, it may only disallow you making something available to the public (i.e. some forms of distributing it). It says changed _OR_

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Nick Phillips
On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 11:11:41AM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote: Under droit d'auteur, you're not allowed to grant unqualified permission to the reciever of a work to make modifications or to distribute the work. You cannot fulfil the GPL requirements, so you cannot distribute the work. You

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Mark Rafn
* Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030501 21:57]: Under droit d'auteur, you're not allowed to grant unqualified permission to the reciever of a work to make modifications or to distribute the work. You cannot fulfil the GPL requirements, so you cannot distribute the work. On Fri, 2 May

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
Bernhard R. Link wrote: If author's rights would be introduced in the USA, this might be the case. Author's rights, or at least the moral rights idea therein, are already in US law. 17 US Code article 106A says, for example, that the author shall have the right to prevent the use of his or her

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-01 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030501 12:56]: On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 12:37, Henning Makholm wrote: sub 2. The work must not be changed or made available to the public in a way or in a context that violates the author's literary or artistic reputation or character.

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-01 Thread Mark Rafn
On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 12:37, Henning Makholm wrote: sub 2. The work must not be changed or made available to the public in a way or in a context that violates the author's literary or artistic reputation or character. * Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030501

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 12:34:36PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: Can you explain the above? I do not see why and in which way the Droit d'auteur system is more hostile to free software. There is currently a lot of lobbying in Europe and in the world against this Droit d'auteur system and

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 12:34:36PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 30 lines which said: Can you explain the above? I do not see why and in which way the Droit d'auteur system is more hostile to free software. Since you did not reply, I take the liberty, in

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 07:50:45PM +1200, Nick Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 42 lines which said: I guess the reason for that opposition is because it empowers the original, human, author in such a way that the large publishing company cannot possibly disenfranchise him by

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 10:43:24AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 74 lines which said: spreading of this FUD, to explain why there is no incompatibility between the droit d'auteur and the common law's copyright system. Our smart readers certainly fixed that

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Differences: as far as free software is concerned, the big difference between the two systems seems to be that, under the Droit d'auteur, the author has a moral right which can *not* be waived or granted to anyone else. We already have OT in the

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 12:21:41PM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 23 lines which said: We already have OT in the subject, so may I ask whether this moral right ceases with the death of the author, For non-software, it was 50 years after the death of the

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We already have OT in the subject, so may I ask whether this moral right ceases with the death of the author, For non-software, it was 50 years after the death of the author, it is now 70 (corporations lobbied a lot for that). For software, I'm not

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Greg Pomerantz
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 12:34:36PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 30 lines which said: But it is not a real problem. Under the droit d'auteur, the author's right over *software* is quite limited, (unlike other work, such as books). For instance, she

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For non-software, it was 50 years after the death of the author, it is now 70 (corporations lobbied a lot for that). For software, I'm not sure. Since there's been a lot of talk about the difficulty in making a distinction between software and

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] We already have OT in the subject, so may I ask whether this moral right ceases with the death of the author, or whether a hostile descendent can use it to prevent reproduction of the author's work? FUD. Moral rights do not allow a hostile

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Mark Rafn
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: But it is not a real problem. Under the droit d'auteur, the author's right over *software* is quite limited Is this the basic point by which moral rights do not prevent software from being free? They're not generally applied to software? So,

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-30 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 12:37, Henning Makholm wrote: sub 2. The work must not be changed or made available to the public in a way or in a context that violates the author's literary or artistic reputation or character. So, I assume that if a work which has artistic or literary

[OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
[This is starting to shift away from the GFDL so I modified the subject. Georg, I can suppress you from the Cc: if you wish so.] On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 11:25:43PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 29 lines which said: Naturally, I'm more familiar with the European