Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-04-04 Thread Josh Triplett
Josselin Mouette wrote: > I wrote to the BitTorrent authors about the new license for version 4, > and finally received an answer from them. Thank you. > There were 2 issues with this > license: > > 1/ The choice of venue clause; > the authors would probably agree to remove it, only keeping the c

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>Alternatively, it means "ftp.debian.org, which is publically available >>but only stores the current version". > It's not official, but we have snapshot.debian.net with every change. If I were a maintainer of such a package,

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Alternatively, it means "ftp.debian.org, which is publically available >but only stores the current version". It's not official, but we have snapshot.debian.net with every change. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Therefore, as long as whatever system Debian keeps its > Mozilla modifications in is versioned and publically available, you > aren't failing to meet the requirement. I don't know about our Mozilla packages but specifically, but in general, "whatever

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: I had hoped that a Moz Found rep would tell us we've missed some obvious reason this doesn't hurt debian, but not yet. With regard to the "six months" requirement, does it help to point out that CVS and other source control systems are Electronic Distribution Mechanisms? Therefore,

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread MJ Ray
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:35:03PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > Yes, that would suck. The fault would be a mix of MPL's drafters > > including conditions that they could have known debian didn't > > support yet and our confusion about the mozilla licence soup

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:35:03PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le mercredi 30 mars 2005 =E0 22:42 +, MJ Ray a =E9crit : > > > Yes. We apologise and stop distributing things under licences > > > with which the archive network can't comply, even if it's

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 31 mars 2005 à 12:35 +, MJ Ray a écrit : > > > I can't think of another way, apart from > > > redesigning the mirror software. > > Just when we are considering to drop some architectures to spare some > > mirror space? > > Changing software to support this would probably increase > mi

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-31 Thread MJ Ray
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 30 mars 2005 =E0 22:42 +, MJ Ray a =E9crit : > > Can you give a reference for the discussion, please? [...] > Indeed, but I couldn't find any references telling the JOSL is non-free. > It seems it was uploaded without checking the licens

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 30 mars 2005 à 22:42 +, MJ Ray a écrit : > Can you give a reference for the discussion, please? The Jabber > licence preamble appears to contradict the licence text and I'm > not sure if they're significant. I didn't find matches for legal > in the time around the Sep 2001 package l

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-30 Thread MJ Ray
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote to the BitTorrent authors about the new license for version 4, Thank you for doing that work. [...] > Their line of reasoning is that it such a clause is present in several > other licenses: the APSL, RPSL, MPL and Jabber licenses. The APSL an

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-30 Thread Gervase Markham
Mike Hommey wrote: I don't know for jabber, but mozilla is tri-licensed MPL/GPL/LGPL... We don't need to fulfil the MPL. Actually, it's not quite yet. That's what the licensing policy is for new files, and it's what we are working towards for older files, but there are a few files which aren't th

Re: Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-30 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 10:05:01PM +0200, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Their line of reasoning is that it such a clause is present in several > other licenses: the APSL, RPSL, MPL and Jabber licenses. The APSL and > RPSL are non-free, so that's not a problem. IIRC, the MPL was sai

Bittorrent licensing, take 2 [MPL and Jabber inside]

2005-03-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
I wrote to the BitTorrent authors about the new license for version 4, and finally received an answer from them. There were 2 issues with this license: 1/ The choice of venue clause; the authors would probably agree to remove it, only keeping the choice of law, which is DFSG-free. 2/ The "keep so