Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-10-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:51:01 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote: > Another possibility is to simply use the GPL, and grant exceptions for > various cases. Given that an ideal Free documentation license would > be GPL-compatible (if not the GPL itself, which is pretty ideal), and > that any GPL-compatible

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-10-04 Thread Josh Triplett
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 04:23:01PM -0700, Joe Buck wrote: >>"These exceptions are granted for derivative works only if those works >>contain no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover >>Texts." > > That's a possibility, but without buy-in from the FSF, I

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-29 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 10:03:22PM -0700, Joe Buck wrote: > I'm fine with recommending that people dual-license; as you say, it's > a PITA otherwise. But incompatibility with the GPL does not cause > GFDL non-freeness. Assuming you meant DFSG here, I don't think anyone is suggesting that it does.

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-29 Thread Joe Buck
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 09:21:43PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > Joe Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Side issue #1: even a GFDL with exceptions is still going to be GPL > > incompatible. True, but that's also the case for several other > > licenses that are considered DFSG-free, so the

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 04:23:01PM -0700, Joe Buck wrote: > Side issue #1: even a GFDL with exceptions is still going to be GPL > incompatible. True, but that's also the case for several other > licenses that are considered DFSG-free, so the point isn't relevant > for this discussion. We can reco

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-28 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Joe Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm pleased to see that documentation writers are trying to figure > out a way to clean up some issues with the GNU FDL. It seems, > though, that some of the commenters are getting sidetracked by side > issues. > > Side issue #1: even a GFDL with exceptions

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-29 00:23:01 +0100 Joe Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Side issue #3: claims that we should tell people to use the GPL for documentation. That's a bad idea, as if I sell my GPL-covered printed book to a friend, and that book was produced from, say, DocBook SGML, I have to either give

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-28 Thread Joe Buck
I'm pleased to see that documentation writers are trying to figure out a way to clean up some issues with the GNU FDL. It seems, though, that some of the commenters are getting sidetracked by side issues. Side issue #1: even a GFDL with exceptions is still going to be GPL incompatible. True, bu

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-25 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:12:07 -0400 Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > If these clarifications were to be made, would the licence be > > considered DFSG-free? > Um... I think so. Were there any other problem clauses? The possibility for further modifiers to *add* unmodifiable sections (Invariant Section

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-22 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Roger Leigh wrote: > During discussion with gimp-print upstream about the potential > problems with the GNU FDL and the possibility of relicensing it, a > number of issues have cropped up, which I'd be grateful if you could > assist with. I have pointed to Manoj's draft position statement as a >

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 06:32:17PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 18:15, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:09:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > Specifically, would it be possible to > > > 1) Allow storage/transmission on encrypted filesystems/links to > >

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-21 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 18:15, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:09:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Specifically, would it be possible to > > 1) Allow storage/transmission on encrypted filesystems/links to > >counter the "DRM restriction"? > > 2) Not require forcing distribut

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:09:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > Specifically, would it be possible to > 1) Allow storage/transmission on encrypted filesystems/links to >counter the "DRM restriction"? > 2) Not require forcing distribution of transparent copies with bulk >opaque copies? > > I

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-21 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 15:55, Roger Leigh wrote: > Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Specifically, would it be possible to > >> 1) Allow storage/transmission on encrypted filesystems/links to > >>counter the "DRM restriction"? > >> 2) Not require forcing distribution of transparent

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-21 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [Thanks Joe and MJ, your replies were very helpful, and much appreciated.] > On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 13:09, Roger Leigh wrote: >> The Gimp-Print User's Guide (package gimpprint-doc) is currently >> licensed und

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-21 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 13:09, Roger Leigh wrote: > The Gimp-Print User's Guide (package gimpprint-doc) is currently > licensed under the terms of the GNU FDL. > > During discussion with gimp-print upstream about the potential > problems with the GNU FDL and the possibility of relicensing it, a > nu

Re: Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-21 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-21 19:09:18 +0100 Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the documentation was to remain GFDL licenced, would be possible to add a clarification to the licence in order to counter the main problems which would affect this work? [...] In general, I think they should grant exceptio

Clarifying non-free parts of the GNU FDL

2004-09-21 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, The Gimp-Print User's Guide (package gimpprint-doc) is currently licensed under the terms of the GNU FDL. During discussion with gimp-print upstream about the potential problems with the GNU FDL and the possibility of relicensing it, a numb