Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] While discussions here on the GPLv3 are quite appropriate, concerns about the actual draft should be voiced using gplv3.fsf.org and the web forms contained therein. I have reported several defects to the FSF webmasters, but they have gone silent recently. Have you heard anything about making the comments system any-browser-compatible and generally accessible to all? As I understand it, the system is RT-based, so there should a general-purpose email interface lurking which might be usable, rather than the reject all one. Otherwise the committees will have a hard time acting upon any of the issues that you have raised. With the continuing inaccessible processes and the closure of accessible forums like [EMAIL PROTECTED], it should be no surprise that this discussion is somewhat hard to follow. This is becoming a case study in how not to run a consultation that matches the stuff the UK Patent Office has done, in my opinion. When will the remaining committees become public? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
John Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On controlling music, I personally see no issues with this. With out DRM, music or other media type content could not be legally made available over the Internet. Sorry, someone has lied to you. Music and other content is regularly made available over the Internet without DRM. I took part in the BBC Imp trial which uses DRM to restrict copying and to prevent contents to be made available in other parts of the world. Very much enjoyed the experience, able to download any type of content that was broadcast on TV over the past two weeks, however I would have been great this service was also made available on the Linux platform however with this new GPL V 3 may make this impossible. It may also prevent the BBC using or contributing to open source project at all. [...] As a Public Service Broadcaster, the BBC should have no role in using DRM like the Imp that prevents licence fee payers from timeshifting the programmes that they have funded, or otherwise engaging in fair dealing in the work. Strong DRM (Digital Rights Restriction Technology, or DRRT) and free software are incompatible. Listen to Cory Doctorow's speech from http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/csrmore/csr200603041/ for an explanation (warning: contains music and other media type content legally made available over the internet without DRM). But, I also don't see how the GPLv3 could stop it. If it means that the DRM-enclosers can't used GPL'd work, maybe that would be a good thing, although I don't see how trying to force that is acceptable in free software. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, MJ Ray wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] While discussions here on the GPLv3 are quite appropriate, concerns about the actual draft should be voiced using gplv3.fsf.org and the web forms contained therein. I have reported several defects to the FSF webmasters, but they have gone silent recently. Have you heard anything about making the comments system any-browser-compatible and generally accessible to all? Yes, they've been doing work on this. If there are still problems, please report them to the webmasters. [They're very busy, and there are only a few of them, so it may take some time for them to get to your concerns.] As I understand it, the system is RT-based, so there should a general-purpose email interface lurking which might be usable, rather than the reject all one. I'm currently rerouting the comments to rss2email, there is an rss feed available too. When will the remaining committees become public? That's really something for the other committees to decide, as I had indicated previously. Feel free to ask them. Don Armstrong -- There is no such thing as social gambling. Either you are there to cut the other bloke's heart out and eat it--or you're a sucker. If you don't like this choice--don't gamble. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p250 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, MJ Ray wrote: I have reported several defects to the FSF webmasters, but they have gone silent recently. Have you heard anything about making the comments system any-browser-compatible and generally accessible to all? Yes, they've been doing work on this. If there are still problems, please report them to the webmasters. How is anyone supposed to guess this? I do the same steps from my previous bug report and still it errors, albeit differently. I'll contact them again as soon as I get time and find the previous details. [They're very busy, and there are only a few of them, so it may take some time for them to get to your concerns.] As I know their accessibility guru is currently taking a break, I offered to help, but the source uploaded was incomprehensible and seems incomplete. When will the remaining committees become public? That's really something for the other committees to decide, as I had indicated previously. Feel free to ask them. I don't have membership lists or contact details for committees B, C, E or F. Do you? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 09:15:40PM +, John Watson wrote: On controlling music, I personally see no issues with this. With out DRM, music or other media type content could not be legally made available over the Internet. This is false. Without DRM, certain greedy and immoral content providers will be *unwilling* to provide music over the Internet; but I am aware of no copyright laws in any jurisdiction that *mandate* the use of DRM. I took part in the BBC Imp trial which uses DRM to restrict copying and to prevent contents to be made available in other parts of the world. Very much enjoyed the experience, able to download any type of content that was broadcast on TV over the past two weeks, however I would have been great this service was also made available on the Linux platform however with this new GPL V 3 may make this impossible. It may also prevent the BBC using or contributing to open source project at all. Even on a 3g phone from three( three.co.uk) DRM is being used to restrict media content from copying. There are many on this mailing list who have their own concerns about GPLv3, including the DRM clause, but I'm pretty sure that there are people who won't like it if you promote freedom wasn't one of them. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 09:15:40PM +, John Watson wrote: On controlling music, I personally see no issues with this. With out DRM, music or other media type content could not be legally made available over the Internet. This is false. Without DRM, certain greedy and immoral content providers will be *unwilling* to provide music over the Internet; but I am aware of no copyright laws in any jurisdiction that *mandate* the use of DRM. Well, since the content providers appear bent on using DRM, I'd rather have them use an open source DRM than some Sony-style rootkit. The majority of the content will always be non-free anyhow (and I don't have a problem with that), so an unobtrusive, portable DRM scheme isn't inherently bad in my view. DRM becomes nasty when it is closed and difficult (or even illegal) to use on your operating system of choice. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, John Watson wrote: I have been reading up regarding the new GPL version 3 and how it will restrict the usage of DRM, however during the research I do get conflicting stories regarding the objectives of this license. One aim is to prevent companies such as Sony to use DRM type technology, to sell its contents to users, or to stop companies selling GPL based code when restricting its usage via DRM. While discussions here on the GPLv3 are quite appropriate, concerns about the actual draft should be voiced using gplv3.fsf.org and the web forms contained therein. Otherwise the committees will have a hard time acting upon any of the issues that you have raised. Don Armstrong -- Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it. -- Richard Feynman http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GPL v3 possible issues.
I would much much rather use a Free software (ie GPL) DRM program than a proprietary one, because as we know, content providers *are not* going to give us open content or content without DRM. Open content is not, in my view, an issue like Free Software is, while DRM is a restriction that the GPL needs to allow (as a compromise). andrew On 3/19/06, Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 09:15:40PM +, John Watson wrote: On controlling music, I personally see no issues with this. With out DRM, music or other media type content could not be legally made available over the Internet. This is false. Without DRM, certain greedy and immoral content providers will be *unwilling* to provide music over the Internet; but I am aware of no copyright laws in any jurisdiction that *mandate* the use of DRM. Well, since the content providers appear bent on using DRM, I'd rather have them use an open source DRM than some Sony-style rootkit. The majority of the content will always be non-free anyhow (and I don't have a problem with that), so an unobtrusive, portable DRM scheme isn't inherently bad in my view. DRM becomes nasty when it is closed and difficult (or even illegal) to use on your operating system of choice. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonnellan.com http://ajdlinux.blogspot.com Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Member of Linux Australia - http://linux.org.au Debian user - http://debian.org Get free rewards - http://ezyrewards.com/?id=23484 OpenNIC user - http://www.opennic.unrated.net
