Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 6/2/06, Jordan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can you omit the preamble and still use the license as the GPL (including redistributing works that were already licensed under the GPL, including referring to it as the GPL, etc)? If so, debian has no legitimate reason for making the preamble an

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Jordan Abel
On 6/1/06, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Andrew Donnellan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On 6/1/06, Karl O. Pinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The GPL is not "completely unmodifiable", you just have limitations >> on how you may modify it and still use i

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Joe Smith
"Andrew Donnellan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/1/06, Karl O. Pinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The GPL is not "completely unmodifiable", you just have limitations on how you may modify it and still use it as a license. The FSF has given blanket permission

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:25:43 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Actually, the base-files package is under the GPL itself, so it's not > a random inclusion. It applies to several copyrightable pieces like > /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ or /usr/share/doc/base-files/README.base > -- and even if it wasn't

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 6/1/06, Adam Borowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, the base-files package is under the GPL itself, so it's not a random inclusion. It applies to several copyrightable pieces like /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ or /usr/share/doc/base-files/README.base -- and even if it wasn't the case,

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 05:55:14PM +1000, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > On 6/1/06, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >[Note that this only applies to the GPL when it is serving as a > >licence under which a work in Debian is released. Random inclusion of > >the GPL otherwise is not allowed bec

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 6/1/06, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Note that this only applies to the GPL when it is serving as a licence under which a work in Debian is released. Random inclusion of the GPL otherwise is not allowed because it doesn't satisfy the DFSG.] The only exception is base-files, /usr

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-06-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006, Karl O. Pinc wrote: > 3. Derived Works > > The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must > allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of > the original software. (Excepting, for legal reasons, the text of > the work's license(s).) This

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-05-31 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 6/1/06, Karl O. Pinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The GPL is not "completely unmodifiable", you just have limitations on how you may modify it and still use it as a license. The FSF has given blanket permission to modify the GPL except for the preamble. -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrewdonn

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-05-31 Thread Karl O. Pinc
On 06/01/2006 01:11:45 AM, Ken Arromdee wrote: On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Ben Finney wrote: > > It occurs to me that the GPL itself violates section 3 of the DFSG, > > it cannot be freely modified. (See: > A useful summary of the position of debian-legal on this point is here: > > http://lists.deb

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-05-31 Thread Karl O. Pinc
On 06/01/2006 12:44:41 AM, Ben Finney wrote: A useful summary of the position of debian-legal on this point is here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/02/msg00290.html> Thank you. Perhaps someday a footnote to DFSG might be added, or maybe some parentheis 3. Derived Works

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-05-31 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Ben Finney wrote: > > It occurs to me that the GPL itself violates section 3 of the DFSG, > > it cannot be freely modified. (See: > A useful summary of the position of debian-legal on this point is here: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/02/msg00290.html> That

Re: GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-05-31 Thread Ben Finney
"Karl O. Pinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please forgive me if this has already been raised but I cannot > imagine how to search the archives to see if it has. > > It occurs to me that the GPL itself violates section 3 of the DFSG, > it cannot be freely modified. (See: > http://www.gnu.org/li

GPL violates DFSG point 3

2006-05-31 Thread Karl O. Pinc
Hello, Please forgive me if this has already been raised but I cannot imagine how to search the archives to see if it has. It occurs to me that the GPL itself violates section 3 of the DFSG, it cannot be freely modified. (See: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifyGPL) Do not many of t