Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-29 Thread MJ Ray
Christmas came and this thread was dropped... just to tie off: Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Passing off is a little different, so I don't want to confuse that with trademarks. That's not something I know much about; a reference on the difference would be

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-12 Thread Jeff Carr
On 01/09/07 12:19, MJ Ray wrote: That's not how things work in my experience. You are responsible for everything on the CD. It has nothing to do with how you label it or if you advertise it as included at all. Maybe you are responsible for it, but how can strings encoded in a recording on

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-09 Thread Jeff Carr
On 12/21/06 08:18, Gervase Markham wrote: I admit this is a bit stretched, but I find it hard to understand how we come to a position where Debian can label anything it likes with any trademarks it likes in its distribution, as long as it doesn't write the trademarks on the outside of the CD.

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-09 Thread Jeff Carr
On 12/18/06 09:02, MJ Ray wrote: If the label is not on the outside of the CD or otherwise used in the course of trade by the distributor, how is the trademark infringed by the distributor? That's not how things work in my experience. You are responsible for everything on the CD. It has

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-09 Thread MJ Ray
Jeff Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/18/06 09:02, MJ Ray wrote: If the label is not on the outside of the CD or otherwise used in the course of trade by the distributor, how is the trademark infringed by the distributor? That's not how things work in my experience. You are responsible for

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-05 Thread Terry Hancock
Gervase Markham wrote: The Python Software Foundation trademark policy[0] says the following: # Use of the word Python when redistributing the Python programming language as part of a freely distributed application -- Allowed. If the standard version of the Python programming language

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-26 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes MJ Ray wrote: If I purchase Debian CDs and type python, or I do man python and read all about the interpreter which I can invoke by typing python which interprets the Python programming language, or I install python-doc

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-21 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: Passing off is a little different, so I don't want to confuse that with trademarks. That's not something I know much about; a reference on the difference would be appreciated if you have one. How is Python being used by the distributor to label the shipped version of CPython

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-21 Thread Jeff Carr
On 12/21/06 08:18, Gervase Markham wrote: I admit this is a bit stretched, but I find it hard to understand how we come to a position where Debian can label anything it likes with any trademarks it likes in its distribution, as long as it doesn't write the trademarks on the outside of the CD.

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-18 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: If I purchase Debian CDs and type python, or I do man python and read all about the interpreter which I can invoke by typing python which interprets the Python programming language, or I install python-doc and read some more, isn't that use of the trademark? What trade is

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-18 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sigh Could you really not work out what I meant? sigh No. I had no idea how you think the trademark is being infringed in your example. The CD I have been sold by the Debian distributor uses the Python trademarks to label their shipped version of the

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, Debian uses the name Python to refer to its Python implementation and the name `python' for the executable. Does this mean that all commercial distributors of Debian need to get permission from the PSF, or alter

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] This is a complete, standalone, unqualified sentence, and therefore applies to all commercial distribution, including people selling Debian CDs. Well, it applies to all commercial distribution which uses the Python trademark. None of the Artwork

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] This is a complete, standalone, unqualified sentence, and therefore applies to all commercial distribution, including people selling Debian CDs. Well, it applies to all commercial distribution which uses the Python trademark.

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Well, it applies to all commercial distribution which uses the Python trademark. Right. And doesn't calling some software Python count as using the Python trademark? (The word, not any logos there might happen to be.) I think it

Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-11 Thread Gervase Markham
The Python Software Foundation trademark policy[0] says the following: # Use of the word Python when redistributing the Python programming language as part of a freely distributed application -- Allowed. If the standard version of the Python programming language is modified, this should

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-11 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, Debian uses the name Python to refer to its Python implementation and the name `python' for the executable. Does this mean that all commercial distributors of Debian need to get permission from the PSF, or alter their copy of the