Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Perhaps [Bruce Perens] has a turing-complete compost heap as well? Way, way, OT, but it's pretty hard not to have a compost machine that does not contain universal turing machines.[1] (Hint: Think bacteria

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:17:25AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: My fear is that, as Don seems to be showing, people will oversimplify and miss the limitations. Getting people to think in terms of modification instead of DFSG 3 seems useful. Hmm, I

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Humberto Massa
Chris Waters wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:17:25AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: My fear is that, as Don seems to be showing, people will oversimplify and miss the limitations. Getting people to think in terms of modification instead of DFSG 3 seems useful. Hmm, I think I missed the

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Humberto Massa said on Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:17:25AM -0300,: I Disagree. If it's to be a reference, then cross-references get to be more and more important. So, to *properly* cross-reference the summary with the DFSG, a small note like (Viol DFSG #2, maybe #4) is a nice thing.

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Humberto Massa
Mahesh T. Pai wrote: Essence of writing a good opinion is that we need to convey the same message we have in mind. The proof of this conclusion is that I did not understand what you had in mind when you wrote the rest of this message. :-) You simply cannot predefine how you are going

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just because a single section of the DFSG fails to enclose all of the problems of a license doesn't mean that a a license does not violate a section of the DFSG. But my point is that it does more than just

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: But my point is that it does more than just leave something out. It's orthogonal. You're saying that knowing the section of the DFSG provides some, but not all, information about why we decided the license is

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread batist
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 06:54, Branden Robinson wrote: I think Jeremy's concerns about not reinforcing the meme of DFSG as strict ruleset are quite valid, but I think it serves people well if we cite the DFSG wherever applicable in our license analyses. It is also common courtesy among lawyers

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: The interesting part of the claim in a summary isn't that restrictions on modifying make a license non-free, but that the license restricts modifying. The summary doesn't describe the DFSG, it describes the

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If my opinion matters, I have to come down more on Don's side of this disagreement. Hrmph. ;) I think Jeremy's concerns about not reinforcing the meme of DFSG as strict ruleset are quite valid, but I think it serves people well if we cite the

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Perhaps [Bruce Perens] has a turing-complete compost heap as well? Way, way, OT, but it's pretty hard not to have a compost machine that does not contain universal

Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-10 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The interesting part of the claim in a summary isn't that restrictions on modifying make a license non-free, but that the license restricts modifying. The summary doesn't describe the DFSG, it describes the

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-10 Thread Branden Robinson
[snip] If my opinion matters, I have to come down more on Don's side of this disagreement. I think Jeremy's concerns about not reinforcing the meme of DFSG as strict ruleset are quite valid, but I think it serves people well if we cite the DFSG wherever applicable in our license analyses. One