Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-26 Thread Yven Johannes Leist
On Tuesday 23 September 2003 09:24, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > PS: Am I the only one with the impression every single thing must be > repeated to RMS AND yeupou AND Fedor Zuev AND Sergey foobar and any > other blind GFDL advocate who is told Debian is BAD, because they want > to drop FREE (it is w

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Stephen Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, you're not the only one with that impression. Personally, I'm ready > to killfille [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a bunch of trolls. The only reason I > haven't is that I think there are some people worth listening to who are > part of gnu, but you'd never kn

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-26 Thread Remi Vanicat
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2003-09-23 02:38:44 +0100 Remi Vanicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Whoa. "You don't agree with me/the majority, so go away..." I don't >> like the way you say this. > > That's probably because I didn't write that at all. Feel free to put > whatever word

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-26 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:25, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Stephen Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, you're not the only one with that impression. Personally, I'm ready > > to killfille [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a bunch of trolls. The only reason I > > haven't is that I think there are some

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:24, Josselin Mouette wrote: > PS: Am I the only one with the impression every single thing must be > repeated to RMS AND yeupou AND Fedor Zuev AND Sergey foobar and any > other blind GFDL advocate who is told Debian is BAD, because they want > to drop FREE (it is written f

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:24:12AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > PS: Am I the only one with the impression every single thing must be > repeated to RMS AND yeupou AND Fedor Zuev AND Sergey foobar and any > other blind GFDL advocate who is told Debian is BAD, because they want > to drop FREE (it

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mar 23/09/2003 à 08:31, Mathieu Roy a écrit : > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > On 2003-09-22 15:14:45 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program > > > (nobody question that) help us to draw the line at the correct

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-25 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-23 02:38:44 +0100 Remi Vanicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Whoa. "You don't agree with me/the majority, so go away..." I don't like the way you say this. That's probably because I didn't write that at all. Feel free to put whatever words you want into my mouth if you want to be su

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-24 Thread Remi Vanicat
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2003-09-22 15:14:45 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program >> (nobody question that) help us to draw the line at the correct place >> also for documentation? > > Trivially, all Debian devel

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2003-09-22 16:05:31 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because you are confronted with a situation where your arguments, that > > you repeat and repeat, do not convince your interlocutor (me in this > > case)? > > There are two ways to argue a

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Many people, including the author of the DFSG, have stated that they > believe that the DFSG was intended to apply to documentation as well. > The number of people arguing that documentation should not fall under > the standards of freedom set out by t

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The point is whether every software IN DEBIAN needs to be free. > > That is indeed the question. > > I think personally that it is harmful to do so and harmless to let > that essays where they are, since they do not interfere with the > program and docume

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-23 07:31:14 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So any member of GNU must resign from Debian or GNU? Interesting. I am surprised people don't accuse you of "slippery slope" as quickly as I was accused recently. [...] So, does the DFSG definition of freedom help us to dra

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:31:14AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > On 2003-09-22 15:14:45 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program > > > (nobody question that) help us to draw the line at

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Mathieu Roy
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > On 2003-09-22 15:14:45 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program > > (nobody question that) help us to draw the line at the correct place > > also for documentation? > > Trivially, all Debia

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread Roland Mas
Mathieu Roy, 2003-09-22 16:50:18 +0200 : [...] > In other terms, do we consider the fact that we cannot modify a > political essay in a documentation so harmful that we would prefer > stopping delivering this documentation? > > That is indeed the question. Yes indeed. And the answer, as far as

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-22 15:14:45 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program (nobody question that) help us to draw the line at the correct place also for documentation? Trivially, all Debian developers who have passed P&P should have agreed t

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-22 16:05:31 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Because you are confronted with a situation where your arguments, that you repeat and repeat, do not convince your interlocutor (me in this case)? There are two ways to argue against someone: present data or claim that they ar

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Mathieu Roy wrote: >Free, in think that everybody agree, but under which definition of >freedom? Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program >(nobody question that) help us to draw the line at the correct place >also for documentation? Many people, including the author of the DFSG

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 04:14:45PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > On Monday 22 September 2003 14:32, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > > The point is whether every software needs to be free or just program > > > and their documentation. > > > > The point is whet

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread Mike Hommey
On Monday 22 September 2003 17:05, Mathieu Roy wrote: > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > Why do I have the impression to be in an infinite loop ? > > Because you are confronted with a situation where your arguments, that > you repeat and repeat, do not convince your interlocutor (me i

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread Mathieu Roy
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Why do I have the impression to be in an infinite loop ? Because you are confronted with a situation where your arguments, that you repeat and repeat, do not convince your interlocutor (me in this case)? You know, there is an easy way out, if you're f

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread Mike Hommey
Why do I have the impression to be in an infinite loop ?

Starting to talk

2003-09-22 Thread Mathieu Roy
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > On Monday 22 September 2003 14:32, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > The point is whether every software needs to be free or just program > > and their documentation. > > The point is whether every software IN DEBIAN needs to be free. You are right, that's the q