Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-07-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 12:32:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I just got a cc of questions sent by a Mozilla rep to the relevant person. More news later, hopefully. I'm still catching up on the list, so I may have missed your followup to this (though there was none to this message)... Has there

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-07-07 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-07-07 12:42:22 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 12:32:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I just got a cc of questions sent by a Mozilla rep to the relevant person. More news later, hopefully. [...] Has there been any progress on this? Not much. I

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-06-23 19:12:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Stock objection to choice of venue clauses is that they force people to travel at their own expense. In essence they attempt to bypass the legal system by making it prohibitively expensive for somebody

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Mahesh T. Pai wrote: MJ Ray said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100,: If there are no active patents covering the software, Patent owners' policies may change. Patents are patents, actively enforced or not. If the license does not grant a patent license in respect of

Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread MJ Ray
Dear debian-legal subscribers, Certain developers and others are promoting the idea that debian-legal has declared the Mozilla Public Licence, which I don't think we have, but sadly the thread has died out. I think that the large number of responses to the draft summary shows that there is no

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: 1. It does not allow derived works to be distributed under the same terms as the original software (DFSG #3). If there are no active patents covering the software, I think clauses 2.1(b) and 2.1(d) are no-ops. If there were active

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Jim Marhaus
MJ wrote: The reference offered as showing that SGI B is considered non-free only showed one post to me, not a discussion. I think I also referenced Bug #211765, where the license is described as non-free, and a longer discussion is referenced:

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
MJ Ray said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100,: If there are no active patents covering the software, Patent owners' policies may change. Patents are patents, actively enforced or not. If the license does not grant a patent license in respect of the software released, people

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:41:51AM +0530, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: MJ Ray said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100,: If there are no active patents covering the software, Patent owners' policies may change. Patents are patents, actively enforced or not. If the license does not

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-23 19:12:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I didn't find the reference given in the draft summary particularly helpful in understanding why this makes something non-free, and similar terms are in some

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-23 19:16:34 +0100 Jim Marhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I also referenced Bug #211765, where the license is described as non-free, and a longer discussion is referenced: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2003/09/msg00410.html OK, I missed that. The SGI F S L B clause seems

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 10:57:06PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-06-23 19:12:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I didn't find the reference given in the draft summary particularly helpful in understanding why this