Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 11:50:31AM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: I know what please means. What I fail to understand is what it is that is so terrible about asking for credit for your work. Nothing at all is wrong with that, and anyone who characterizes the Debian Project as asserting this is

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-08 Thread Måns Rullgård
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 11:50:31AM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: I know what please means. What I fail to understand is what it is that is so terrible about asking for credit for your work. Nothing at all is wrong with that, and anyone who

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-08 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040608 09:14]: Nothing at all is wrong with that, and anyone who characterizes the Debian Project as asserting this is wrong, and may be being deliberately deceptive. That was not what I meant to say. However, someone did suggest that such a request

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-08 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-08 08:14:13 +0100 Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] However, someone did suggest that such a request would make the program non-free. [...] Do you mean Josh Triplett? He accepted Lewis Jardine's correction. Why won't you? I understand that it could be an

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-08 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
This is not the first time that this has come up. Perhaps there could be a FAQ at www.debian.org/legal? Great idea. Perhaps the draft FAQ I started could be moved? http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html (Just added this question to it.) It is in pretty good shape, with contributions from

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004, Måns Rullgård wrote: I know what please means. What I fail to understand is what it is that is so terrible about asking for credit for your work. There's nothing terrible about asking for credit for your work. There's something terribly wrong with requiring credit for your

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I just want to know if there is a list of common license for documentation that are definitively known to be DFSG free. I'm not sure about definitive, but generally most DFSG-free licences

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Måns Rullgård wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I just want to know if there is a list of common license for documentation that are definitively known to be DFSG free. I'm not sure about definitive,

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
posted mailed Matthieu Delahaye wrote: Hi, I'm currently working on a correct debianisation of uC++ [1] with their author. They already provide debian packages but they are not 100% respecting Debian policies. The author wrote a consistent manual for this software [2]. Currently the

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Josh Triplett wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. No warranty offered and no liability accepted. Please link to

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I just want to know if there is a list of common license for documentation that are definitively known to be

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Lewis Jardine
Måns Rullgård wrote: Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: Wordings like please don't seem to carry much legal value, so I suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would frown upon the request for credit. Nobody here would do so, just so you

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård wrote: Wordings like please don't seem to carry much legal value, so I suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would frown upon the request for credit.

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-05 09:49:38 +0100 Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that what the fuss about the obnoxious advertising clause of the old BSD (and new XF86) licence is all about? No, they require specific advertising as a condition of permission. A simple disjunct polite request for any

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:49:38AM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Wordings like please don't seem to carry much legal value, so I suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would frown upon the request for credit. Nobody here would do so, just so you know. :-) Isn't

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-05 06:49:19 +0100 Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this license is actually legally nearly equivalent to giving the work to the public domain. I believe that is the intention. For some reason, I can find very little information on public domain grants in England

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:49:38AM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Wordings like please don't seem to carry much legal value, so I suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess some would frown upon the request for credit. Nobody here

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:16:07PM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 10:49:38AM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Wordings like please don't seem to carry much legal value, so I suppose it might even be GPL compatible, though I guess

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:16:07PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: Isn't that what the fuss about the obnoxious advertising clause of the old BSD (and new XF86) licence is all about? No. That is almost, but not quite, entirely irrelevant to the issues with those licenses. I thought the

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 08:23:12PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: I thought the advertising clause was just about the only restriction in those licenses, the problem being that the GPL doesn't allow extra restrictions. That's the not quite part. It's almost entirely irrelevant because

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 04:42:37PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 08:23:12PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: I thought the advertising clause was just about the only restriction in those licenses, the problem being that the GPL doesn't allow extra restrictions.

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-05 Thread Josh Triplett
Lewis Jardine wrote: Josh Triplett wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. No warranty offered and no liability

Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread Matthieu Delahaye
Hi, I'm currently working on a correct debianisation of uC++ [1] with their author. They already provide debian packages but they are not 100% respecting Debian policies. The author wrote a consistent manual for this software [2]. Currently the license is not usable to be uploaded under Debian.

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread Walter Landry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthieu Delahaye) wrote: Hi, I'm currently working on a correct debianisation of uC++ [1] with their author. They already provide debian packages but they are not 100% respecting Debian policies. The author wrote a consistent manual for this software [2]. Currently the

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I just want to know if there is a list of common license for documentation that are definitively known to be DFSG free. I'm not sure about definitive, but generally most DFSG-free licences would work for any

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread Josh Triplett
MJ Ray wrote: Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. No warranty offered and no liability accepted. Please link to this site seems non-free to

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread Måns Rullgård
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2004-06-04 11:43:45 +0100 Matthieu Delahaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I just want to know if there is a list of common license for documentation that are definitively known to be DFSG free. I'm not sure about definitive, but generally most

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread Lewis Jardine
Josh Triplett wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. No warranty offered and no liability accepted. Please link to this

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:53:29AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. No warranty offered

Re: Which license for a documentation?

2004-06-04 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Jun 4, 2004, at 13:53, Josh Triplett wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Related, is the following licence DFSG-free: I grant permission to you to do any act with my work. Please ask me to link to mirrors. Please link to this site and credit the contributors. No warranty offered and no liability