Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Michael Reichenbach
Hi! The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'. I added it to the wiki. http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses?action=show#head-4aa606633f3372dc9d5087b69c2f40d06bcd3c2d How to get a final / official verdict about it? -mr

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:57:30 +0200 Michael Reichenbach wrote: Hi! The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'. I added it to the wiki.

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Michael Reichenbach
Francesco Poli schrieb: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:57:30 +0200 Michael Reichenbach wrote: Hi! The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'. I added it to the wiki.

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Michael Reichenbach said: Hi! The license has been already discussed on the malinglist with opinions 'DFSG-compatible' and 'not DFSG-compatible'. I added it to the wiki.

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2008-06-15 Thread Franklin PIAT
Hello, Foreword : I'm not part of the debian-legal team. I'm just taking care of keeping the wiki clean. I removed the Truecrypt license from the page because : * This license is specific to a single package. A bug might me more appropriate to track that. (IMHO). * The state of that license is

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-07-03 Thread Schulman . Andrew
Truecrypt 4.2a has just been released, with a revised license: http://www.truecrypt.org/license.php. Can someone please take a look at it and see if it looks more like a free license? Thanks, Andrew. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-07-03 Thread Michael Poole
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Truecrypt 4.2a has just been released, with a revised license: http://www.truecrypt.org/license.php. Can someone please take a look at it and see if it looks more like a free license? Thanks, Andrew. My criticisms seem to be addressed adequately. Others might have

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread dtufs
but UNACCEPTABLY protects integrity of the author's source (DFSG 4) due to attempting to enforce a super-trademark in III.1.a The PHP License 3.0 and the Apache License 1.0 (which are both approved as free software license by the FSF, and as open source license by the OSI) require exactly the

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread dtufs
Michael Poole wrote: First, Michael, thanks for your balanced response. it is non-free to require a distributor to serve copies of the work to third parties Well, conditions in Section 3 of the GPL v2 actually do require distributor to serve copies of the work to third parties. Vagueness

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread Don Armstrong
First and foremost, if you're going to contribute on this list, please stop using aliases and start using your real name so that others understand on whose behalf you are speaking and more importantly, can connect your arguments with arguments you have made previously. Second, arguing on freeness

Re: Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread dtufs
but UNACCEPTABLY protects integrity of the author's source (DFSG 4) due to attempting to enforce a super-trademark in III.1.a The PHP License 3.0 and the Apache License 1.0 (which are both approved as free software license by the FSF, and as open source license by the OSI) require exactly the

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread Michael Poole
dtufs writes: Michael Poole wrote: First, Michael, thanks for your balanced response. it is non-free to require a distributor to serve copies of the work to third parties Well, conditions in Section 3 of the GPL v2 actually do require distributor to serve copies of the work to

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread Michael Poole
dtufs writes: That's true, but you don't get to stake the moral high ground *after* replying at the same level. I wasn't at the same level. I just stated my opinion on how things work in the real world. In contrast, the other poster had directly insulted the person who wrote the

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread MJ Ray
of this list have spotted errors in licensing of material copyright FSF before. However, the Truecrypt licence is not listed by FSF. Approval by the failed Open Source Initiative is irrelevant. From these facts, I would judge (1) that you are not qualified to tell whether a license adheres

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They do, but those clauses have been pointed out as being problematic multiple times. Copyright licenses should not need to invoke copyright law to secure protections which trademark law grants to trademarks. And still, nobody has been able to convincingly explain why

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They do, but those clauses have been pointed out as being problematic multiple times. Copyright licenses should not need to invoke copyright law to secure protections which trademark law grants to trademarks. And still, nobody

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-29 Thread dtufs
--- MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter who is correct, I think it is unhelpful to imply that others are not dealing in reality, especially on matters of opinion. I think it is equally unhelpful to post personal remarks, such as: The license shows many signs of being written by someone

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-29 Thread Michael Poole
dtufs writes: Michael Poole writes: One sign is the frequent use of alternatives -- features/functionalities, product/modifications, and so forth -- rather than defining a minimal set of terms up front and using them later. In reality, use of alternatives, either in brackets or

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-29 Thread MJ Ray
: ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM The quoted GPL section 5 does not cover use, so is not equal to a Truecrypt Licence section covering use. Please do not cut context to make statements look wrong. Please, try not to start every other paragraph with You are wrong. Hope

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-28 Thread dtufs
Michael Poole writes: One sign is the frequent use of alternatives -- features/functionalities, product/modifications, and so forth -- rather than defining a minimal set of terms up front and using them later. In reality, use of alternatives, either in brackets or slash-separated can only

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-28 Thread MJ Ray
dtufs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Poole writes: One sign is the frequent use of alternatives [...] In reality [...] No matter who is correct, I think it is unhelpful to imply that others are not dealing in reality, especially on matters of opinion. My reply is abbreviated because this licence

licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-20 Thread Karl Goetz
Hi all I was looking at truecrypt, and noticed that the licence is not considered 'free' by Klause Knopper[1], but i don't see a view from debian-legal. does anyone know if this licence [2] would be free enough to ship with debian? Or, for that matter, if its come up before on the list and i

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-20 Thread Michael Poole
Karl Goetz writes: Hi all I was looking at truecrypt, and noticed that the licence is not considered 'free' by Klause Knopper[1], but i don't see a view from debian-legal. does anyone know if this licence [2] would be free enough to ship with debian? Or, for that matter, if its come up

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-20 Thread MJ Ray
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Goetz writes: [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-knoppix/2006/06/msg00019.html [2] http://www.truecrypt.org/license.php [...] Overall, this seems like a fairly pointless and dangerous but not clearly unfree license; GPLv2 or v2+ with SSL exception and a

Re: licence for Truecrypt

2006-06-20 Thread Karl Goetz
MJ Ray wrote: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Goetz writes: [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-knoppix/2006/06/msg00019.html [2] http://www.truecrypt.org/license.php [...] Overall, this seems like a fairly pointless and dangerous but not clearly unfree license; GPLv2 or v2+ with SSL