Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-07-03 Thread Michael Below
Alexander Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050702 17:00]: Are you saying that every use of any nazi symbol outside of history education is prohibited in Germany? This seems ridiculous! :-( How do you deal with movies such as _Raiders of the lost ark_

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-07-03 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:41:47 +0200 Michael Below wrote: The exception for art has been reduced by the courts, because the courts have a very broad understanding of the term art. The interests of art have to be weighed, probably it won't be allowed if the art is trivial, affirmative or only

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-07-03 Thread Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In Finland, for example, distribution of interactive image programs (or is photoplay the correct legal term?) ie. games requires informing the State movie inspection bureau. Distribution via the Internet is exempted, though:

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-07-02 Thread Michael Below
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been reading around http://www.lehrer-online.de/ (forgive me, but German law textbooks are not easy to obtain quickly in the fens) under Recht: Ausf. Info.: Schulhomepage: illegale Inhalte and it looks like unclear cases like ours are only punishable if

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-07-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:32:50 +0200 Michael Below wrote: The Wolfenstein case has the additional problem that the game contains lots of swastikas and other nazi symbols, which are banned in Germany. Using these banned symbols (outside of history education) is what the cited No. 2 of the JMStV

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-07-02 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050702 17:00]: The Wolfenstein case has the additional problem that the game contains lots of swastikas and other nazi symbols, which are banned in Germany. Using these banned symbols (outside of history education) is what the cited No. 2 of the

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-29 Thread Raul Miller
On 6/27/05, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one is to assume the strictest outcome (in debian-legal style) while still assuming that the content is not totally banned, one has to assume that interactive image programs are banned from persons under 18 unless inspected and shown

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-27 Thread MJ Ray
Michael Below [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a post pointing out that quake2 is probably not offensive and quake2-data does not contain the questionable content and that post went unchallenged. I think I answered this in the same mail mentioned above, after looking it up. The

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-27 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jun 18, 2005, at 17:25, Michael Below wrote: non-German It is highly likely that you'll find similar laws all over the EU if you start looking. In Finland, for example, distribution of interactive image programs (or is photoplay the correct legal term?) ie. games requires informing the

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-24 Thread MJ Ray
Michael Below [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My research has shown that quake2 and quake2-data seem to conflict with german youth protection law. As I understand it, you are relying on them being regarded im wesentlichen the same as a Windows-based quake2 CD. I don't know how that term is seen by

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-24 Thread Michael Below
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Below [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My research has shown that quake2 and quake2-data seem to conflict with german youth protection law. As I understand it, you are relying on them being regarded im wesentlichen the same as a Windows-based quake2 CD. I

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-18 Thread Francesco Poli
On 13 Jun 2005 02:18:51 GMT MJ Ray wrote: I don't think contrib (where quake2 is) is on the official CDs, but ICBW (not checked latest images to be sure). Well, it seems that YCBW... ;-) I recently upgraded from Woody to Sarge and: $ apt-cache policy quake2 quake2: Installed: (none)

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-18 Thread Michael Below
Hi, as promised I looked it up at the library. I found the book Nikles et al.: Jugendschutzrecht, Mnchen 2003. This led me to a left out part in my interpretation of the Jugendschutzgesetz: 1 defines the used terms. I hope if I translate this also, my understanding of the law becomes more

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-15 Thread Kai Blin
* Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [14/06/05, 19:20:30]: * Kai Blin: * Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [14/06/05, 13:57:02]: But this doesn't matter at all. Our guardians became frustrated with the necessity to index both the German translation and the original, so they installed

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Måns Rullgård: I was of the impression that Quake 2 had been placed on an official list of restricted publications, and that this was the primary cause of concern. Does Debian distribute the data files? The engine itself is not on the German Index Librorum Prohibitorum. But this doesn't

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-14 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Michael Below :: Baltasar Cevc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [German text respectfully cut] § 15 Youth-Endangering Media (1) If the inclusion of media in the list of youth-endangering media has been announced according to § 24 par. 3 sentence 1, they may not be 1. offered, given to or

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-14 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Måns Rullgård :: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This looks like a bug in Germany rather than a bug in quake2. Does the German government have a bug tracking system? It's called Parliament :-) Actually, I don't know *how* is it called aus Deutsch, but you know what I mean. YMMV. -- HTH,

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Humberto Massa Guimarães: But this doesn't matter at all. Our guardians became frustrated with the necessity to index both the German translation and the original, so they installed a mandatory rating system for computer games (similar to movies in Germany and other countries). The main

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-13 Thread Baltasar Cevc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.06.2005, at 11:37, Mns Rullgrd wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Below [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: today I filed bug #313159 against the quake2 package, because of a possible violation of the german Jugendschutzgesetz (youth

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-13 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Baltasar Cevc wrote: 6 für ihre Altersstufe freigegeben und gekennzeichnet worden sind oder wenn es sich um Informations-, Instruktions- und Lehrprogramme handelt, die vom Anbieter mit ???Infoprogramm??? oder ???Lehrprogramm??? gekennzeichnet sind. A quick (but quite

Re: quake2 and german youth protection law

2005-06-13 Thread Michael Below
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this only apply to German distributors or to anyone distributing to Germany? (My German is not really up to legal standard and the failure to set a background colour hurts on http://bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/arbeitsgrundlagen/juschg.php ) I'm not sure. I