License questions

2005-01-27 Thread John Goerzen
Hi, There is some nice code here: http://www.scannedinavian.org/~pesco/ When asked about licensing, the author replied that he doesn't like licenses and refused to create one. But: pesco It's mine, but if you manage to get your hands on it, keep it for Christ's sake! ... Heffalump the key

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-27 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:33:35 -0800, Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael K. Edwards wrote: [snip] Of course it is possible for proprietary software to compete with free software without employing GPL components. It's also possible for one commercial spreadsheet to compete with

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-01-27 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:12:58 + MJ Ray wrote: Mark Brown For what it's worth I'd noticed that the summaries had vanished - Francesco Poli So did I. Thanks for that You are welcome! :) and the comments off-list. What would the period summaries have done to help you with the Eclipse

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 02:18:48PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: If the public benefit of interoperability outweighs the harm done to a copyright holder by permitting competitive use of the interface they created, how can it not outweigh the harm to him of permitting cooperative use? Why

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 02:18:48PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: I do want my government and my cellphone to run on Free Software, and neither will happen in my lifetime if there isn't a commercially viable transition strategy. If you want to work towards a situation where everything is

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-27 Thread Walter Landry
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Section 2 is about the restrictions which come into play when you build a modified form of Kaffe, which is not the case for Eclipse. Eclipse involves no modifications of Kaffe. On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:50:17PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: Debian

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-27 Thread Walter Landry
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:53:03PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: The GPL puts restrictions on whole works. True. Requires to run is a useful heuristic to determine what a whole work is. Kaffe does not require Eclipse to run. So by this heuristic,

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-27 Thread Raul Miller
First: There is no such legal entity as Debian which is doing such things. Debian is a trademark of SPI, and there are people who use that trademark, but that's not the same thing. On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:55:30PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: You can replace Debian with SPI if it makes

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-27 Thread Raul Miller
Kaffe does not require Eclipse to run. So by this heuristic, Eclipse is not a part of Kaffe. On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:56:34PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: You missed the part about Eclipse requiring Kaffe to run. The license on Eclipse doesn't make an issue of this. The license on Kaffe

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-27 Thread Raul Miller
Why assume that interoperability is the only benefit from release under copyleft? On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 07:45:29PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: I'm not assuming that. I'm saying that the public benefit of interoperability, used in a number of the decisions that I've cited to justify

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-27 Thread Lewis Jardine
Walter Landry wrote: Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, the only relations between Eclipse and Kaffe are Eclipse is aggregated with Kaffe and Eclipse is run by Kaffe. And once again, you miss the point that Eclipse and Kaffe together make a whole work. The make an aggregate work.