Re: FSF has published GNU FDL version 1.2

2002-12-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's say that the library has two things you can get, the texinfo source files and a pdf generated from them. People are unlikely to print out the texinfo files, so they would naturally try to print out the pdf. So the library sets the do not print

Re: EULAs and the DFSG

2002-12-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 04:56:10AM +0100, Sunnanvind Fenderson wrote: This is very different from EULAs because with them the end user gets *less* rights that normally given by copyright The rights normally given by copyright are virtually nil; you

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
a-z A-Z on it. Sure you can. It's now full of shouting, and no longer in the preferred form for modification. No license can reasonably distinguish between tr and gnupg -- distinguishing indent is hard enough. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen G026 / Secure Technology Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:45:43AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I find it hard to believe that anything produced by mechanical transformation from a source is object form. Object form is machine code. I can not magically transform a text file

GPLv3 2(d) (was Re: PHPNuke license)

2003-03-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
(for example) me to give a lecture on the details of GNUtls, or to run a web server which presents an interface to Perl. -Brian Footnotes: [1] That is, modify and distribute it in non-free ways. [2] Admittedly, an odd case. -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: transformations of source code

2003-03-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
quite enough. Since the GPL has few restrictions on functional modification, it's not much of an issue there. A document license has a broader problem: the first person to crack it open would be violating the DMCA to do so. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
gain no competitive advantage from innovation. Software gets developed only to scratch personal itches. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 11:23:26AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: * There's less incentive to develop new changes: unless you can afford a stable of developers large enough to deploy new features faster than your competitors can copy them, you gain

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
infringe my right to dispose of my physical property. -Brian Still not a lawyer. -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 01:37:54PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: * There's less incentive to develop new changes: unless you can afford a stable of developers large enough to deploy new features faster than your competitors can copy them, you

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure

2003-03-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
glue code? The kernels of each of these servers? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-11 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 03:46:57PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: As I said: existing mechanisms of licensing Free Software (e.g. GNU GPL and MIT/X11) provide an impetus for improvement. A compulsory-sharing license, as might bring us closer

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure

2003-03-11 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
which wasn't expected by several authors, including the FSF, and to which they are reactively objecting. That, in itself, makes a good argument for why the author should have no ability to place an obligation on anybody under a Free Software license. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure

2003-03-11 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it users of programs or owners of copies of programs that should have freedom? As far as I can see the answer is clearly users. Currently those two groups

Re: The ASP nightmare: a description

2003-03-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to set up a shell server for some friends. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-03 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
. The freeness of a license should be as divorced as possible from accidents of implementation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-03 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Brian T. Sniffen Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's good, but only if you're able to modify the Base Format. It is easy to imagine scenarios where you are able to modify individual

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Barak Pearlmutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe instead of sinking further and further into little details of how files are verified to be standard LaTeX and the distinction between the LaTeX engine and the files it reads and all that good stuff, we could back up a step? This all really an

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
and more complicated rules related to mechanism, and getting more and more specific to their particular implementation. I've CC'ed this to a LaTeX person - any comments from the LaTeX crowd? -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to GNU/LaTeX, and I think you're set. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the F DL

2003-04-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
additional requirements over the GPL, so they may not be distributed linked. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the F DL

2003-04-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Georg C. F. Greve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:37:57 -0400 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) wrote: bts You've heard all this before, but I haven't seen you answer it. bts Why does the GFDL prohibit me from making an emacs reference bts card from

Re: LPPL, take 2

2003-04-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
you may add your own. If there is other information regarding support from or contact information for the Current Maintainer, you may treat it under the other terms of this License. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: LPPL, take 2

2003-04-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: c. The Current Maintainer may have included an offering of technical support for his work, labelled Support Information. You must remove any such offerings, though you may add your own

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the F DL

2003-04-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 03:05:48PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: But the issue here is not copying or modifying an existing card, but deriving a reference card from the Emacs manual. If the documentation was licensed under the BSD license, wouldn't

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
. Distribution in a closed, hard to modify format such as PDF, generated HTML or PostScript, or a Microsoft Word document should always be treated as Object Code. I hope that's useful to you. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The MIT/X11 license and the GPL would both work, depending on whether you want a copyleft. The MIT license can probably be used just by itself. To use the GPL, though, you should probably put

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
software. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
be saved in a Free format? Since these are just suggestions from the author, I see no harm in any of these. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
, and the DFSG is respected. Neither of those seems like a good reason for the GFDL to change. I think your argument could be much stronger if it included a because we're right paragraph. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
and Free Software'' and ``with the Invariant Sections being Stabs Types and Stabs Sections'' How can the sample GDB Session possibly be a Secondary Section? Or is this just a good example of how confusing the Invariant Section rules can be, even to the FSF? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
(allowing modification and distribution), as long as you don't include the name GPL, the Preamble, or the instructions for use. If Debian's going to eventually remove invariant sections, it's possible that the included copy of the GPL should have those sections removed as well. -Brian -- Brian T

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 12:22:27PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: However, the legal text of the GPL is reusable (allowing modification and distribution), as long as you don't include the name GPL, the Preamble, or the instructions for use. What

Re: If Debian decides that the Gnu Free Doc License is not free...

2003-04-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
As far as I am concerned, I have no desire to have ReiserFS distributed for free by anyone who removes the GNU manifesto or similar expressions from Stallman's work (or my own) and redistributes it. It is simply a matter of respect that is due the author. Respect is due; but it is up to

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-05-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Jonathan Fine said: The proposed new LPPL discriminates between person(s) who are the Current Maintainer, and those who are not. I have suggested that this is against Debian guideline 5 - non-discrimination. Two contributions have said, for various reasons, that the guideline does not

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-05-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
. -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-05-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
towards the copyright holder involves the discrimination clause. The discrimination clause is more commonly used to prohibit software which is licensed as, for example, MIT/X11, but only if you do no work involving a nuclear power plant or Free for non-commercial use only. -Brian -- Brian T

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
works which the authors would rather have proprietary, but which they can't distribute except under the GPL? Thanks for taking the time to explain this system to the Common Law folks here. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] RMS could use his 'moral rights' to prevent someone from distributing a version of Emacs which could read and write Microsoft Word files (file format being reverse-engineered). No he can't. His placing

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-21 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
, and if not obey the wishes of the original authors. -Brian [0] Which, btw, has many extensions over POSIX or BSD grep, so there is not, AFAIK, an alternative implementation. Alternatively, put gcc or your favorite GPL program in its place. -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-23 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 11:59, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I don't. If it makes use of features specific to the GNU version, it should either use the normally part of your OS exception, or if distributed with GNU grep be itself available under the GNU

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-23 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Stephen Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 09:52, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 11:59, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I don't. If it makes use of features specific to the GNU version, it should either use

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 01:45 PM, Stephen Ryan wrote: On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 09:52, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: The other option, of course, is that the kernel exec() function *is* a barrier, Debian *can* be used for real work and not just

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 03:30 PM, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Wait. Isn't dpkg under the GPL? Now everything on the entire system has to be under the GPL, because you can't even get it installed without the use of dpkg. I don't see how

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Let's take a concrete example: apache-ssl. In particular, it's postint. It uses adduser, which is under the GPL. It also uses update-rc.d, also under the GPL. So, as above, we have

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 15:20 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, then I take it you're in favor filing seriouss bug against ftp.debian.org asking for the removal of apache-ssl and *many* more

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-31 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This problem is unfortunate, but no worse in the case of two ways of using the GFDL than with a pair of two different free software licenses. But no pair of licenses is claiming to create a shared commons. Heretofore, the FSF has been claiming to

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
of the client libraries. It seems at that point that it would be easier to just put it under the LGPL. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:51:31PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Would it be reasonable to ask them to snapshot the OSI license list with every release? This would ensure that the permission to link isn't retroactively revoked by a third party

Re: [RFC] Modification history as a source code

2003-06-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
the object? The compiled binary is clearly the only possible form for the modification I've just performed. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Defining 'preferred form for making modifications'

2003-07-01 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Thomas Bushnell, BSG said: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's true that the GPL wording implies that there is a single preferred form, Yep. The GPL was designed for compiled programs, and it shows in several places. The relation between a xcf and a gif is precisely one

Re: Defining 'preferred form for making modifications'

2003-07-02 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Thomas Bushnell, BSG said: Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nonsense. I edit multiple images into a single image all the time, but rarely save an XCF file: multiple layers live in the image-editor's memory, but never hit the disk. There is no persistent form which represents

Re: removing non-invaraint section from a GFDL doc

2003-07-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Nick Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 09:52:17PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Hello debian-legal, Suppose I remove all the non-invariant sections of a GFDL document that have some sections marked invariant. Are the invariant sections still secondary? I

Re: simple translation copyright issues

2003-07-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
have copyrighted silent pieces of music, for example. There is also the emerging field of nanofiction, which is confined to 55 words or less. Many of Emily Dickinson's poems are shorter than that, and each would receive separate copyright protection. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: GFDL and man pages

2003-07-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to works. They'd presumably consider all the manpages in the csound package to be a single work, and have each refer to a central gfdl(8) page. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Implied vs. explicit copyright

2003-07-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
idea for you to independently write one. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Implied vs. explicit copyright

2003-07-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
. And despite your repeated rants about references, there's still nothing that says and adding an extraneous symbol voids your copyright. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: translations under Creative Commons license?

2003-07-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, are you suggesting that freedom would be better served if the GNU manifesto provided for modification? Note the manifesto's license: Permission is granted to anyone to make or distribute verbatim copies of this document, in any medium,

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-31 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
protecting other Title 17 rights. -Brian I do agree with your broader point that if we can ship libdvdcss, we can ship applications that use it. I also agree that, if it's feasible, a lawyer's advice would be useful here. Thomas -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-31 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: DMCA 1201(a)(1)(A): No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-08-01 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: Your interpretation would make the access-circumvention provision almost useless: it would mean it only mattered when preventing access to illegally copied works. Which, hey, is a reasonable law

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-01 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
are not software You really wouldn't want us to insist on shipping the non-software versions. Apt-get really bogs down when asked to process 20 lb A4. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
appreciated -- I might be able to talk upstream into adjusting the license before releasing, if it is necessary to satisfy the DFSG. Thanks in advance, -- Tore Anderson -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in

2003-08-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
are added. Similar things have happened with software. But you have to go and find a copy from before the proprietary section was added. With a normal combined work, you can just remove the proprietary code and take the clearly marked (heh) BSD code. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: APSL 2.0

2003-08-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
against a use model, such as running nuclear power plants. This is discrimination against both a business model (web services providers) and a use model (providing access to computers over a network). -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: {debian-legal} Re: APSL 2.0

2003-08-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
M. Drew Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:10:34AM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: out of networked environments. If they succeed in promulgating these ideas, they'll hinder growth of networked systems. Perhaps a good way I could agree with you, except

Re: APSL 2.0

2003-08-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
argument: that a restriction in addition to those imposed by copyright law is necessarily non-free. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 01:29:12PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I wish to address a very narrow part of this point: because copyright protects only creative expression of ideas, and because legal terminology is intended to be strictly denotative

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sergey V. Spiridonov said: Branden Robinson wrote: After all, what utility would this distinction serve beyond providing one a means of routing around the DFSG's inconvenient restrictions? Program (code) is not of great value outside computer, except examples which usually belong to the

Re: A possible approach in 'solving' the FDL problem

2003-08-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Said Wouter: I'm not saying we have to do that. I'm only saying we have to decide whether or not the rules for declaring documentation to be free should be the same as the rules for declaring computer programs to be free, and if not, what the rules for declaring documentation to be free have

Re: A possible approach in 'solving' the FDL problem

2003-08-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:22:25PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Said Wouter: In fact, if the debian-legal group were to decide all by itself that software and documentation are essentially the same thing, I'm afraid a fork would be much more

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
, such as replacing the Emacs 21 manual with an edited Emacs 19 manual. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: APSL 2.0

2003-08-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
distribute against fields of endeavor on the other. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathanael Nerode) wrote on 07.08.03 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additionally, the FSF is not alone by claiming software isn't the same thing as documentation; international agreements and

Re: A possible approach in 'solving' the FDL problem

2003-08-12 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
and documentation should meet different criteria of freeness, surely there would have been a debate over whether the BSD, GPL, and Artistic licenses were free for Documentation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
software license, such as the GNU General Public License, to permit their use in free software. -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
the GPL (e.g., Blender) does not give me any freedoms I didn't have before. It merely gives me technical capabilities I hadn't had before. You can't give me freedom. I've got it innately, unless I relinquish it or it is taken from me by force. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Jimmy Kaplowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 01:02:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:30:48PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: It can buy freedom, depending on what exactly you buy, as Wouter said. If you have bought it, what you have isn't

Re: Advice on DFSG status of this licence

2003-08-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm considering packaging up RIPE's whois server, and the closest thing I can find to a licence in the source tarball is the contents of the COPYING file, at the end of this message. The only bit I'm unsure of is the last sentence. Does it

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Joerg Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew Garrett, on 2003-08-21, 16:13, you wrote: Oh, now, come on. The GFDL plainly /isn't/ compatible with the DFSG. Whether or not it /has/ to be compatible with the DFSG in order to be in Debian is an entirely separate issue, but the above is

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Keith Dunwoody [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Joerg Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew Garrett, on 2003-08-21, 16:13, you wrote: Oh, now, come on. The GFDL plainly /isn't/ compatible with the DFSG. Whether or not it /has/ to be compatible with the DFSG in order

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
thing. It is not as constructive or as good as if he put it under the GPL or the MIT/X11 license, but it is not evil. However, that work is not free, and Debian should not incorporate it. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
a flaw in the GFDL.) Actually, isn't there a complicated set of trademark and patent claims preventing manufacture of a CD reader without paying money to Phillips and some trade organizations? This may not be that ridiculous. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:25:27 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) wrote: David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Less likely, though I certainly wouldn't say it's impossible, is a judge ruling that without providing electricity, a working

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
, and best solved with social means, not with precise technical phrasing. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sun has repeatedly clarified elsewhere that the intent of this is essentially MIT/X11, except you may not distribute this product alone. Got any citations? The license certainly

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
before I try this. As long as there is creative expression in which sections I choose, I retain copyright on that expression. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
cases (for example Manifesto from Emacs), they can agree with invariant sections in documenation. I believe in most cases we can agree with such a limitation. Your argument has false premises. Want to try again? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sergey Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen wrote: You are incorrect. Copyright law limits how you may copy or distribute the code. The GPL lifts some, but not all, of these limits. The GPL itself takes away nothing. According to your statement, any license do not put

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
, can distribute a combined work of Emacs and the Emacs Manual. I cannot distribute a package consisting of Emacs and Brian's GFDL'd Emacs Manual, because the GPL does not permit me to link my GFDL'd textcode with Emacs. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
of a vi-worshipping author to, say, add an invariant section in his math-in-lisp text on editor choice, thus forbidding use of anything from that text in any Elisp manual, is too much of a restriction to be Free. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003-08-28 01:28:54 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enjoy is not a term I would use to describe the process of experiencing, say, Derrida's _Limited Inc._, but if that work were freely licensed, I would certainly be able to access, read,

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sergey V. Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The GNU FDL, like the proprietary licenses I mentioned as examples, offers a trade. Unlike the MIT/X11 license or the GNU GPL, the GNU FDL does not only grant permissions to the user: it offers to trade him some permissions in exchange for

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sergey V. Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Such point of view on freedom is dependent on the copyright law. No, any given work may have slightly different restrictions in different domains of copyright law, but from looking at a license to see whether it tries

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
there is a mailing list or SlashRMS server which is featuring an article summarized by: Debian's going to force Emacs to be distributed without a manual. You need to all go and vote, to prevent Debian and ESR from censoring RMS. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL

Re: Licence oddity in Securing Debian Manual

2003-08-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
www.debian.org, and feel free to quote this message. -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: The ban on use of circumvention devices for copy-prevention schemes is probably toothless, given the fair use doctrine. However, the following activities banned by the DMCA are not copyright

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
licensed only under the GFDL Free Software in the terms of the DFSG? Nothing else. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

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