Re: GPLed libraries dfsg compatible?

2006-05-15 Thread Moritz Lenz
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
 On the one hand you say the program barely uses the library, on the
 other hand you say the library is essential (you are not able to
 write a program that does not use the base library). This seems
 rather antonymic.

The library is essential. Any other interpretation of what I said can be
blamed on my bad english ;)

Moritz

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Re: GPLed libraries dfsg compatible?

2006-05-14 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Moritz Lenz said:
 Hello,
 
 I want to debianize EiffelStudio, a compiler and IDE for the programming
 language eiffel. It is dual-licenced under a commercial licence and
 under GPL.
 Included in EiffelStudio is the so called Base Library, released under
 the GPL as well. This library is absolutely nesseary for programming
 with eiffel, you are not able to write any program that does not use the
 Base Library.
 With this licencing model you are forced to release your programs
 written in EiffelStudio (GPL version) under the GPL as well.
 
 Can we regard this software as dfsg compatible?

Absolutely.  It is a viral license, but that is the point, and Debian
considers the GPL to be free.
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Re: GPLed libraries dfsg compatible?

2006-05-14 Thread Moritz Lenz
Hi,

Stephen Gran wrote:
 This one time, at band camp, Moritz Lenz said:
 Hello,

 I want to debianize EiffelStudio, a compiler and IDE for the programming
 language eiffel. It is dual-licenced under a commercial licence and
 under GPL.
 Included in EiffelStudio is the so called Base Library, released under
 the GPL as well. This library is absolutely nesseary for programming
 with eiffel, you are not able to write any program that does not use the
 Base Library.
 With this licencing model you are forced to release your programs
 written in EiffelStudio (GPL version) under the GPL as well.

 Can we regard this software as dfsg compatible?
 
 Absolutely.  It is a viral license, but that is the point, and Debian
 considers the GPL to be free.

I know that GPL is free in dfsg-terms, I was just unsure because in this
case it limits your control over the results of your work (A new program
can hardly be considered as derived work from a library it barely
uses, can it?).

But if there are no doubts in this case I'm glad ;)

Best regards,
Moritz

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Re: GPLed libraries dfsg compatible?

2006-05-14 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 10:38:14PM +0200, Moritz Lenz wrote:
 Stephen Gran wrote:
 This one time, at band camp, Moritz Lenz said:

 Included in EiffelStudio is the so called Base Library, released
 under the GPL as well. This library is absolutely nesseary for
 programming with eiffel, you are not able to write any program
 that does not use the Base Library.

 (A new program can hardly be considered as derived work from a
 library it barely uses, can it?).

On the one hand you say the program barely uses the library, on the
other hand you say the library is essential (you are not able to
write a program that does not use the base library). This seems
rather antonymic.

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Lionel


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