Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
Hi! Didier 'OdyX' Raboud schrieb: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: Josselin Mouette schrieb: Definitely non-free, and the author’s clarification removes any doubt. Hmmm... Actually... As he didn't gave a definition of "good" or "evil" one could argue, that everything is good... for someone. We must not discriminate against fields of endeavor (so people wanting to do "evil" must be able to), but this license doesn't seem to restrict redistribution, thus making this "Good but no Evil" software suited for non- free, no ? Yes, but as the author didn't define his terms, you can always argue, that whatever you do, is something good (for specific definition of "good"), and one could argue, that this phrase is therefore no restriction at all. A quite philosopher way to argue, therefore: However, I would strongly advise to not package that thing for Debian main; it smells like problems. Or did I misread your message ? Depends on your definition of "read" and "message" ;) (Sorry, could not resist.) Best regards, Alexander -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bb06f34.5030...@schmehl.info
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
Thomas Koch writes: > Yes, it's this topic again. I've just had a short mail exchange with > crockford himself. Thank you for pursuing this matter in good faith and trying to get a satisfactory resolution. > His final answer: "If you cannot tolerate the license, then do not use > the software." That's a shame. The license terms are trivially non-free, and the vagueness of the terms leads to the chilling effect that they don't help anyone know whether their specific use of the work is infringing the terms or not. A pity that the result wasn't better, but at least it's clear. Hopefully the copyright holder can someday, in spite of evidence to the contrary from his current statements, learn why these terms are non-free and dangerously vague. Thank you again for reporting this decision. -- \ “The lift is being fixed for the day. During that time we | `\regret that you will be unbearable.” —hotel, Bucharest | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hbo0nll2@benfinney.id.au
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
> Yes, it's this topic again. I've just had a short mail exchange with > crockford > himself. His final answer: "If you cannot tolerate the license, then do not > use the software." Then his software will simply be not packaged. -- bye, Joerg http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_win_an_argument -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87eij4skhy@gkar.ganneff.de
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
Le Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:56:44PM -0500, Joe Neal a écrit : > > http://wonko.com/post/jsmin-isnt-welcome-on-google-code Hi Joe, have you seen the comment of Joey Hess, that it ‘Looks like the jsmin.py in libv8 is now a reimplementation with a standard license.’ Have a nice week-end, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100327060419.ga28...@kunpuu.plessy.org
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
It looks like the guy makes exceptions anyway: > Douglas: That's an interesting point. Also about once a year, I get a > letter from a lawyer, every year a different lawyer, at a company--I don't > want to embarrass the company by saying their name, so I'll just say their > initials--IBM... > > [laughter] > > ...saying that they want to use something I wrote. Because I put this on > everything I write, now. They want to use something that I wrote in > something that they wrote, and they were pretty sure they weren't going to > use it for evil, but they couldn't say for sure about their customers. So > could I give them a special license for that? > > Of course. So I wrote back--this happened literally two weeks ago--"I give > permission for IBM, its customers, partners, and minions, to use JSLint for > evil." http://wonko.com/post/jsmin-isnt-welcome-on-google-code -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003262356.44103.vlvtel...@speakeasy.net
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
> The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil. Neither term has any objective meaning and there is no shortage of people with philosophy phds willing to state such as their expert opinion. Assuming good and evil are both subjective terms, the license merely states that "The Software" shall be used for some task to be assigned a moral value by a third party at a later point in time. If the author wishes to toss around terms like "good" and "evil" and claim the existence of any higher morality he should establish the grounding for such in the text of the license. It's meaningless claptrap. Ignore it. Sorry, I'm not a DD and know I have no say here. I just couldn't pass this up. JN -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003262326.08579.vlvtel...@speakeasy.net
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Josselin Mouette schrieb: >> Definitely non-free, and the author’s clarification removes any doubt. > > Hmmm... Actually... As he didn't gave a definition of "good" or "evil" > one could argue, that everything is good... for someone. > > However, I would strongly advise to not package that thing for Debian > main; it smells like problems. We must not discriminate against fields of endeavor (so people wanting to do "evil" must be able to), but this license doesn't seem to restrict redistribution, thus making this "Good but no Evil" software suited for non- free, no ? Or did I misread your message ? OdyX -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hoj69b$vn...@dough.gmane.org
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
Hi! Josselin Mouette schrieb: >> Yes, it's this topic again. I've just had a short mail exchange with >> crockford >> himself. His final answer: "If you cannot tolerate the license, then do not >> use the software." >> >> Could you please give me a definitive Yes or No for the below license? [..] >> The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil. > Definitely non-free, and the author’s clarification removes any doubt. Hmmm... Actually... As he didn't gave a definition of "good" or "evil" one could argue, that everything is good... for someone. However, I would strongly advise to not package that thing for Debian main; it smells like problems. Best regards, Alexander, not having his ftp-team hat on signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le vendredi 26 mars 2010 à 18:43 +0100, Thomas Koch a écrit : >> Yes, it's this topic again. I've just had a short mail exchange >> with crockford himself. His final answer: "If you cannot tolerate >> the license, then do not use the software." >> >> Could you please give me a definitive Yes or No for the below license? > >> The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil. > > Definitely non-free, and the author's clarification removes any doubt. It is certainly a bizarre licence, and it is clearly best to regard it as non-free. However, I suspect he'd have a very hard time enforcing it in court. IANAL -- Måns Rullgård m...@mansr.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/yw1xiq8isx7h@unicorn.mansr.com
Re: The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
Le vendredi 26 mars 2010 à 18:43 +0100, Thomas Koch a écrit : > Yes, it's this topic again. I've just had a short mail exchange with > crockford > himself. His final answer: "If you cannot tolerate the license, then do not > use the software." > > Could you please give me a definitive Yes or No for the below license? > The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil. Definitely non-free, and the author’s clarification removes any doubt. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
