Re: coupling software documentation and political speech in the GFDL

2003-09-29 Thread WebShark

- Original Message - 
From: Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: coupling software documentation and political speech in the
GFDL


 Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  On 2003-09-26, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The conflict is around the need professed by FSF to hitch political
speech
  to the cart of software documentation, and the fact that Debian, while
it
  may have been designed in part to achive a social or political goal,
was
  designed to deliver software rather than political speech.
 
  Sure, that's a nice analysis.  What do you propose to do about it?
  Debian would be quite happy to distribute modifiable political speech
  (with suitable provisions for protecting the author's integrity), but
  the FSF has not shown any interest in considering that possibility;
  and most DDs posting here seem quite firm in the view that
  unmodifiable political speech is not allowed.

 Bear in mind that Debian does distribute freely modifiable political
 text, for which the original author is *dead*, and yet his original
 words are still copied about substantially unchanged: the book of
 Amos, for example, in package bible-kjv-text.  I think RMS fear that
 we would somehow change his essays is severely unfounded.
 Additionally, his argument is misleading in ways which prevent
 counterargument: there's no way we could change his essays.  We might
 derive works from his essays, though it is unlikely they would be
 noticeably similar to his essays.

 -Brian


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Re: coupling software documentation and political speech in the GFDL

2003-09-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes:

 Bear in mind that Debian does distribute freely modifiable political
 text, for which the original author is *dead*, and yet his original
 words are still copied about substantially unchanged: the book of
 Amos, for example, in package bible-kjv-text.  I think RMS fear that
 we would somehow change his essays is severely unfounded.

A nice example.  Consider that the words of Amos have been passed
around (since the current edition was prepared) for rather a long
time, with a pretty good record of maintaining accuracy.

BTW, Amos is one of my favorites.

Thomas



Re: coupling software documentation and political speech in the GFDL

2003-09-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 2003-09-26, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The conflict is around the need professed by FSF to hitch political speech
 to the cart of software documentation, and the fact that Debian, while it
 may have been designed in part to achive a social or political goal, was
 designed to deliver software rather than political speech.

 Sure, that's a nice analysis.  What do you propose to do about it?
 Debian would be quite happy to distribute modifiable political speech
 (with suitable provisions for protecting the author's integrity), but
 the FSF has not shown any interest in considering that possibility;
 and most DDs posting here seem quite firm in the view that
 unmodifiable political speech is not allowed.

Bear in mind that Debian does distribute freely modifiable political
text, for which the original author is *dead*, and yet his original
words are still copied about substantially unchanged: the book of
Amos, for example, in package bible-kjv-text.  I think RMS fear that
we would somehow change his essays is severely unfounded.
Additionally, his argument is misleading in ways which prevent
counterargument: there's no way we could change his essays.  We might
derive works from his essays, though it is unlikely they would be
noticeably similar to his essays.

-Brian



Re: coupling software documentation and political speech in the GFDL

2003-09-27 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-09-26, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The conflict is around the need professed by FSF to hitch political speech
 to the cart of software documentation, and the fact that Debian, while it
 may have been designed in part to achive a social or political goal, was
 designed to deliver software rather than political speech.

Sure, that's a nice analysis.  What do you propose to do about it?
Debian would be quite happy to distribute modifiable political speech
(with suitable provisions for protecting the author's integrity), but
the FSF has not shown any interest in considering that possibility;
and most DDs posting here seem quite firm in the view that
unmodifiable political speech is not allowed.

Peace,
Dylan