Re: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-23 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Neil" == Neil Williams writes: Neil> That's the key point for me - grub sorts itself out *inside* Neil> the build environment. It is critical for reproducibility that Neil> the tools used to build the image come from inside the Neil> image. We need to

Re: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-23 Thread Adam Bolte
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 08:31:28AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:02:30 + > Riku Voipio wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:56:12AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > We'd probably have to give up some of the tweaks we have, and add > > > support

Re: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-23 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:02:30 + Riku Voipio wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:56:12AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Hi. > > > I recently finished putting together a custom image of what amounts > > to stretch for work. Today, this is mostly not a cloud image, > >

RE: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-20 Thread Kristian Klausen
.@lists.debian.org; debian...@lists.debian.org > CC: vmdebootst...@packages.debian.org; bootstrap...@packages.debian.org; > debian-live@lists.debian.org; k...@debian.org > Subject: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:56:12 -040

RE: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-20 Thread Kristian Klausen
ian-cl...@lists.debian.org; > debian...@lists.debian.org > CC: vmdebootst...@packages.debian.org; bootstrap...@packages.debian.org; > debian-live@lists.debian.org; k...@debian.org > Subject: RE: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and > live-wrapper > Date: S

Re: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-20 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Hi, On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 09:02:30AM +, Riku Voipio wrote: > I think we should look into pushing customizations and tweaks into > packages. Say ec2-defaults, virtualbox-defaults etc. The key benefit > being that everyone gets same settings regardless of what tool they > used to create the

Re: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-19 Thread Riku Voipio
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:56:12AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > Hi. > I recently finished putting together a custom image of what amounts to > stretch for work. Today, this is mostly not a cloud image, although > that's expected to change for our future customer deployments. Thanks for your

Re: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-18 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Hi, On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:56:12AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > I think live-wrapper is too immature to evaluate. I tried to evaluate > it as a replacement for live-build, but quickly concluded that it's too > early in the live-wrapper development cycle for me to be able to look > at. The

Re: Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-17 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi Sam, First, thanks for this interesting long post. I've read it all, and it is a very good read. I'm however surprised that in your review, you didn't take into account: - openstack-debian-images (currently the only tool which is officially building cloud image at

Comments on live-build, vmdebootstrap, bootstrap-vz, and live-wrapper

2016-08-16 Thread Sam Hartman
Please note the follow-up to the cloud list. Hi. I recently finished putting together a custom image of what amounts to stretch for work. Today, this is mostly not a cloud image, although that's expected to change for our future customer deployments. For my previous job I did maintain a cloud