On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:14:13AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Debian can't afford to pay developers in general, and previous
> > proposals to pay specific developers were not well received.
>
> That was over a decade ago. The circumstances at the
On 2018-10-26 21:25, Ben Hutchings wrote:
I don't think we would need to rename everything, at least not at once.
The critical thing to change is that we should change the way we refer
to jessie's status (and future releases when regular security support
for them ends).
Yup.
But also:
On Sat, 2018-10-27 at 20:51 +, Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 09:41:43AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 01:02:57PM -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
> > wrote:
> > > I meant that we would say that stable is supported by the security
> > > team.
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 01:02:57PM -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
> I meant that we would say that stable is supported by the security team.
> And instead of saying that Jessie was supported by the LTS team, we
> would say supported by Freexian.
I would object to that, on the grounds
On Fri, 2018-10-26 at 13:02 -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:05:18AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> > On 2018-10-26 10:26:09, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
[...]
> > > 2) Say "supported by Security team" versus "supported by Freexian",
> > > instead
On Fri, 2018-10-26 at 11:05 -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> On 2018-10-26 10:26:09, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
[...]
> > 3) Stop using LTS as a "label" for oldstable releases?
>
> I am not sure how that would help anything. :) I do like, however, the
> idea brought by Jeremy Stanley in
On 2018-10-26 13:02:57, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
>> > 5) Is that not true anymore with Extended LTS and CIP?
>>
>> Sorry, what is not true? #4? If so, I think people should *still*
>> install the latest supported Debian release (stable or stretch right
>> now) and not LTS or ELTS,
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:05:18AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> On 2018-10-26 10:26:09, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
> > I am guessing one of the other (incorrect) assumption users might make
> > is that the "LTS version" is preferred over other versions. That's how
> > LTS works for
On 2018-10-26 10:26:09 -0300 (-0300), Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
[...]
> Using the LTS term in a slightly different way than the "industry
> standard" now means we need to spend a little more effort on users
> education.
[...]
Just a data point: under pressure from downstream consumers
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 09:30:46AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:15 AM Sean Whitton wrote:
> >
> > On Tue 23 Oct 2018 at 05:06PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
> > >
> > > In short: Make it very clear if you want to provide long-term support
> > > for your project. Talk to the
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:15 AM Sean Whitton wrote:
>
> On Tue 23 Oct 2018 at 05:06PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
> >
> > In short: Make it very clear if you want to provide long-term support
> > for your project. Talk to the LTS team in case you need help. Nobody is
> > forced to do anything.
>
Hi Steve!
On 2018-10-23 04:26:18, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> So I'm worried that those of us who have *not* volunteered to support
> LTS are being pressured into spending our time on it anyway. What can
> we do to fix that? How/where do we clarify for our users (and
> developers!) what LTS means,
Hello Raphael,
On Tue 23 Oct 2018 at 09:52AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Instead we are rather aiming to integrate LTS more and more everywhere.
> However, when LTS is becoming a burden on other teams, we should
> definitely look how the LTS team can help to alleviate that burden.
> Because
Hi Steve,
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> So I'm worried that those of us who have *not* volunteered to support
> LTS are being pressured into spending our time on it anyway. What can
> we do to fix that? How/where do we clarify for our users (and
> developers!) what LTS means, and
Hi,
I'm quite concerned by what I think is a user perception problem
around LTS. When the LTS project started up, discussions made it clear
that existing maintainers and teams were *encouraged* but not
*required* to help with the LTS effort. Paid effort would be used to
help fill in for security
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