Re: (when?) do we (still) contact maintainers?

2019-02-07 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi Antoine

It is my fault that python developers were not contacted. I added the
package to dla-needed.txt yesterday (or possibly the day before) and
planned to contact the maintainers. But before I had the chance to do so
the package was already fixed and then it did not feel appropriate to
contact the maintainer. I should have sent the email the same day and not
wait until another day.

On the other hand, we have mixed feedback from maintainers.

Some wants to be contacted.
Some other do not want to be contacted.
Some other want to be contacted, but just the people in "Maintainers:"
field and not the "Uploaders:". (This turned out to be a rather tricky
thing)

Tricky this.

I think I agree with you that we should change the process, but we should
discuss it first as you say.

Best regards

// Ola


On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 18:35, Antoine Beaupré 
wrote:

> On 2019-02-07 18:32:39, Markus Koschany wrote:
> > Please do not CC me. I am subscribed.
> >
> > Am 07.02.19 um 18:23 schrieb Antoine Beaupré:
> > [...]
> >> Well, I don't think we should make such calls without announcing it and
> >> documenting the new workflow clearly, first off.
> >>
> >> Second, I think I mostly agree with you, but we need to be certain we
> >> won't upset other people's workflow, and this should be discussed.
> >
> > How does my decision to not contact a maintainer interrupt your
> > workflow? You can still contact the maintainer before you start to work
> > on a package.
>
> I meant the debian package maintainers, not mine.
>
> A.
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Re: (when?) do we (still) contact maintainers?

2019-02-07 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2019-02-07 18:32:39, Markus Koschany wrote:
> Please do not CC me. I am subscribed.
>
> Am 07.02.19 um 18:23 schrieb Antoine Beaupré:
> [...]
>> Well, I don't think we should make such calls without announcing it and
>> documenting the new workflow clearly, first off.
>> 
>> Second, I think I mostly agree with you, but we need to be certain we
>> won't upset other people's workflow, and this should be discussed.
>
> How does my decision to not contact a maintainer interrupt your
> workflow? You can still contact the maintainer before you start to work
> on a package.

I meant the debian package maintainers, not mine.

A.

-- 
In a world where Henry Kissinger wins the Nobel Peace Prize,
there is no need for satire.
- Tom Lehrer



Re: (when?) do we (still) contact maintainers?

2019-02-07 Thread Markus Koschany
Please do not CC me. I am subscribed.

Am 07.02.19 um 18:23 schrieb Antoine Beaupré:
[...]
> Well, I don't think we should make such calls without announcing it and
> documenting the new workflow clearly, first off.
> 
> Second, I think I mostly agree with you, but we need to be certain we
> won't upset other people's workflow, and this should be discussed.

How does my decision to not contact a maintainer interrupt your
workflow? You can still contact the maintainer before you start to work
on a package.



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Re: (when?) do we (still) contact maintainers?

2019-02-07 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2019-02-07 17:58:48, Markus Koschany wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Am 07.02.19 um 17:32 schrieb Antoine Beaupré:
> [...]
>> Am I missing something here? Did we change this practice, or is this an
>> oversight?
>
> I have been part of the team for three years now, from my experience
> almost all people are very happy when someone else fixes bugs in
> oldstable. Most of the time we get either no response at all or someone
> tells us to just go ahead. Since we have now the capacity to handle all
> those issues all by ourselves, I don't find it no longer necessary to
> contact every maintainer beforehand. Instead I decide on a case-by-case
> basis. I would rather change the current recommendation and the
> do-not-call list to a list of maintainers who want to be contacted first
> before we work on their packages or have always prepared updates
> themselves (e.g. postresql). This list will be quite short.

Well, I don't think we should make such calls without announcing it and
documenting the new workflow clearly, first off.

Second, I think I mostly agree with you, but we need to be certain we
won't upset other people's workflow, and this should be discussed.

A.

-- 
Tout ce qui n’est pas donné est perdu.
- Proverbe indien



Re: (when?) do we (still) contact maintainers?

2019-02-07 Thread Markus Koschany
Hello,

Am 07.02.19 um 17:32 schrieb Antoine Beaupré:
[...]
> Am I missing something here? Did we change this practice, or is this an
> oversight?

I have been part of the team for three years now, from my experience
almost all people are very happy when someone else fixes bugs in
oldstable. Most of the time we get either no response at all or someone
tells us to just go ahead. Since we have now the capacity to handle all
those issues all by ourselves, I don't find it no longer necessary to
contact every maintainer beforehand. Instead I decide on a case-by-case
basis. I would rather change the current recommendation and the
do-not-call list to a list of maintainers who want to be contacted first
before we work on their packages or have always prepared updates
themselves (e.g. postresql). This list will be quite short.

Markus



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