Re: Backports LTS security support

2019-02-08 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Fri, 08 Feb 2019, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

> Op 08-02-19 om 15:29 schreef Alexander Wirt:
> > On Fri, 08 Feb 2019, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I would like to have LTS support for backports. On most systems I use
> >> one or more packages from backports.
> >>
> >> When the same version of a package is in use in the next version of
> >> Debian, I guess backporting them is -in most cases- not a big problem.
> >>
> >> I am interesting if it would be a good idea to ask maintainers in the
> >> freeze-phase to put the same versions in stable-backports, if the
> >> package is in backports.
> >>
> >> Maybe we could say somewhere in the future: LTS supports backports, but
> >> only when the same version of a package is in the next Debian version.
> >> With some exceptions.
> >>
> >> Maybe I could do something myself by asking maintainers to update
> >> packages what are in backports, but with another version then in
> >> testing. Good idea?
> >
> > We had this, no one cared about it, we asked for it and no one was
> > interested. 
> 
> I guess, somebody should work on it. Write e-mails etc.
> I care about it, and I guess more people do.
> 
> When I write an e-mail to a DD and ask for a newer backport, most DD's
> are very friendly and like to do that.
> 
> I generally think it's a good thing to have the same packages in
> backports as in testing.
> 
> > Therefore for backports.d.o this is currently a no-go. 
> 
> I ask for it in the Debian-LTS list, not in de backports list.
Thats fine, I just wanted to write an official backports statement. Otherwise
the next will say: ask on the backports mailinglist. 

> Maybe backports should remove packages what are removed from testing.
> Or where the version is not the same as in testing (after some time).
We usually do that.  

Alex



Re: Backports LTS security support

2019-02-08 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 08-02-19 om 15:29 schreef Alexander Wirt:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to have LTS support for backports. On most systems I use
>> one or more packages from backports.
>>
>> When the same version of a package is in use in the next version of
>> Debian, I guess backporting them is -in most cases- not a big problem.
>>
>> I am interesting if it would be a good idea to ask maintainers in the
>> freeze-phase to put the same versions in stable-backports, if the
>> package is in backports.
>>
>> Maybe we could say somewhere in the future: LTS supports backports, but
>> only when the same version of a package is in the next Debian version.
>> With some exceptions.
>>
>> Maybe I could do something myself by asking maintainers to update
>> packages what are in backports, but with another version then in
>> testing. Good idea?
>
> We had this, no one cared about it, we asked for it and no one was
> interested. 

I guess, somebody should work on it. Write e-mails etc.
I care about it, and I guess more people do.

When I write an e-mail to a DD and ask for a newer backport, most DD's
are very friendly and like to do that.

I generally think it's a good thing to have the same packages in
backports as in testing.

> Therefore for backports.d.o this is currently a no-go. 

I ask for it in the Debian-LTS list, not in de backports list.

Maybe backports should remove packages what are removed from testing.
Or where the version is not the same as in testing (after some time).

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/



Re: Backports LTS security support

2019-02-08 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Fri, 08 Feb 2019, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I would like to have LTS support for backports. On most systems I use
> one or more packages from backports.
> 
> When the same version of a package is in use in the next version of
> Debian, I guess backporting them is -in most cases- not a big problem.
> 
> I am interesting if it would be a good idea to ask maintainers in the
> freeze-phase to put the same versions in stable-backports, if the
> package is in backports.
> 
> Maybe we could say somewhere in the future: LTS supports backports, but
> only when the same version of a package is in the next Debian version.
> With some exceptions.
> 
> Maybe I could do something myself by asking maintainers to update
> packages what are in backports, but with another version then in
> testing. Good idea?
We had this, no one cared about it, we asked for it and no one was
interested. 

Therefore for backports.d.o this is currently a no-go. 

Alex - Backports ftpmaster