Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2019-01-22 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Tue 2019-01-22 14:44:50 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > I'm not sure we should remove *both* enigmail and thunderbird from > jessie. I understand there are problems with the a.m.o version, but then > that's somewhat outside of scope of LTS. It would seem rather unfair for > users of thunderbird

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2019-01-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2019-01-22 at 14:44 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: [...] > Right now I'm leaning towards completely dropping support from Enigmail > in jessie, since the changes required are too far ranging to be > comfortable. I agree with you. All the options are bad, but this seems to be the least

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2019-01-22 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 02:44:50PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > > I'm not sure we should remove *both* enigmail and thunderbird from > jessie. I understand there are problems with the a.m.o version, but then [..] > Right now I'm leaning towards completely dropping support from Enigmail > in

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2019-01-22 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2018-12-20 14:30:49, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > fwiw, i agree with jmm that encouraging users to upgrade to stable is > the best outcome here. The question is, what are we doing to the folks > who (for whatever reason) can't make that switch. > > On Thu 2018-12-20 17:01:30 +0100, Moritz

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-21 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > we're not talking about "all kinds of core libraries" -- we're talking > about a very selected subset. Which are used by core system services like systemd, which makes them core libraries. > > EOLing enigmail seems the only

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-21 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2018-12-20 14:30:49, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > fwiw, i agree with jmm that encouraging users to upgrade to stable is > the best outcome here. The question is, what are we doing to the folks > who (for whatever reason) can't make that switch. > > On Thu 2018-12-20 17:01:30 +0100, Moritz

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-20 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
fwiw, i agree with jmm that encouraging users to upgrade to stable is the best outcome here. The question is, what are we doing to the folks who (for whatever reason) can't make that switch. On Thu 2018-12-20 17:01:30 +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > If suddenly all kinds of core libraries are

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-20 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 05:03:26PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > I mostly worried that you didnt test all dependent packages and that we > essentially might break those when trying to support a package no > customer has expressed need for. But then I also suppose such breakage > could be fixed...

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-19 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2018-12-19 21:22:21, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > On 19/12/2018 18:25, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >> On 2018-12-19 17:03:26, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:40:07AM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >>> [...] >>> I've now also re-read this thread (for the 2nd time

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-19 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Hi Antoine, On 19/12/2018 18:25, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > On 2018-12-19 17:03:26, Holger Levsen wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:40:07AM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >> [...] >> I've now also re-read this thread (for the 2nd time today..) and first >> I'd like to notice that all the concerns

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-19 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2018-12-19 17:03:26, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:40:07AM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > [...] > I've now also re-read this thread (for the 2nd time today..) and first > I'd like to notice that all the concerns were only brought up in the > last week, so it was definitly

Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS

2018-12-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:40:07AM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: [...] > Both Emilio and Daniel supported the idea of pushing the GnuPG 2.1 > backport. So I did that and spent most of my LTS time for december > working on the GnuPG 2.1 upload. > > I was just about to finalize the upload, based on