Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
Dear Mentors, I'm a Debian Maintainer now and am uploading a new release of my package alpine, for which I successfully uploaded 1.0+dfsg-1 to the archive. I noticed that according to http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=alpine , the Debian archive never builds i386 packages. To my

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I'm a Debian Maintainer now and am uploading a new release of my package alpine, for which I successfully uploaded 1.0+dfsg-1 to the archive. Indeed, check[1]. 1. http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alpine/news/20080105T014704Z.html I noticed that according

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Please use list-reply. No need to Cc people if they didn't request it, see the Debian lists policy. On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: Interesting. Is there a reason for this policy, or is it just historical? ISTR it was intended to ensure the package at least builds fine in the developer's

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Rejected: source only uploads are not supported. That's exactly the point: at the moment, source-only uploads are REJECTED. You have to provide at least the binaries for one architecture. Interesting. Is there a reason for this policy, or is it

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Colin Tuckley
Asheesh Laroia wrote: I'm a Debian Maintainer now Congratulations. That sort of creeps me out - I'd much rather exercise a buildd and make sure that a pristine package gets into the archive. It's a bit of a historical thing, left over from the days when everybody used i386 boxes. There is

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Colin Tuckley wrote: It's a bit of a historical thing, left over from the days when everybody used i386 boxes. There is only one i386 buildd (which was down recently). The idea is that since you should be test building your package in a clean sid chroot anyway you might as

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:51:14AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: ISTR it was intended to ensure the package at least builds fine in the developer's environment, to reduce FTBFSes. I wasn't there at that time though, but I've been told several times that I'll be an old DD before it gets a

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Asheesh Laroia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080112 11:41]: That's exactly the point: at the moment, source-only uploads are REJECTED. You have to provide at least the binaries for one architecture. Interesting. Is there a reason for this policy, or is it just historical? Sorry if this sounds

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Cyril Brulebois [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080112 12:13]: But nothing ensures it is built in a chroot, which might occasion disparities between uploaded binaries and built-on-the-buildd-network binaries. Binaries do not need a chroot, just a clean unstable environment. While a minimal chroot is

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Bernhard R. Link wrote: While a minimal chroot is good to test against missing build-dependencies, a full real-world system is needed to test for missing build-conflicts or configure switches to disable specific autodetections. Sure. So when you get disparities between a

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Cyril Brulebois [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080112 14:38]: Well, no. A ???pure unstable environment??? on a development box can have various configuration tweaks, differing from the defaults shipped with the packages, and that can impact the built binaries. Source packages are supposed to be also

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard R. Link wrote: While a minimal chroot is good to test against missing build-dependencies, a full real-world system is needed to test for missing build-conflicts or configure switches to disable specific autodetections. But nothing in the current system ensures that packages are built

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:51:14AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: ISTR it was intended to ensure the package at least builds fine in the developer's environment, to reduce FTBFSes. I wasn't there at that time though, but I've been told several

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I realize that the arch: all packages would need technical attention before the policy can be realized in practice, and there may be other small technical issues to work out, but I imagine there are solutions to those issues. I guess some packages might be

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote: On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I realize that the arch: all packages would need technical attention before the policy can be realized in practice, and there may be other small technical issues to work out, but I imagine there are solutions to

Re: RFS: gthumb (updated and adopted package)

2008-01-12 Thread David Paleino
Il giorno Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:52:03 +0100 Michael Biebl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Could you please make the yelp dependency a Recommends? May I ask why? I believe yelp is better suited as a Depends (AFAIK, to read gnome-doc documentation, you need yelp) Kindly, David -- . ''`. Debian

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Ove Kaaven
Asheesh Laroia skrev: others here on debian-mentors and on debian-devel. I think Require binaries and throw them away is a very good strategy. It seems there is fairly wide consensus that having the buildds build every package is a good thing. Man, source-only uploads would literally save

Re: RFS: gthumb (updated and adopted package)

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 13/01/2008, David Paleino wrote: Could you please make the yelp dependency a Recommends? May I ask why? So that it gets pulled in by default. But so that one can still choose not to install yelp at all, e.g. because one isn't interested at all by documentation (e.g. because online helps