We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's GREATLY increasing the noise:signal ratio for people who don't know about ignore thread or other such things. It doesn't bother me personally (like I said I've found some of the messages in this thread quite interesting... and if I don't feel

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who gives a shit about politics, and what the hell has it it got to do with the debian mailing list??? It's the Debian *USER* list, not the *DEBIAN* User list. As has been discussed several times every time a long thread comes up the list is for the

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use mutt in non-threaded mode so I have no idea. :-) So the list should adjust itself to how you read mail? A list that the debian organization reccomends for new debian users to go to seek help should be as accomodating to that goal as possible,

Re: Newbie question about compiler warnings.

2007-01-14 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Brandon Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we allowed to disable compiler warnings? What is the preferred method, if the code is fine, and would require a huge overhaul to fix? IANADD However, my feeling is, the less change to a package you have to do to get it working, the better. If the

Re: Question on a package split

2006-08-21 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Francesco Pedrini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the inspection of the new code and the discover of the new library I have a problem with the design of the new package structure, because if I follow the splitting scheme written above I'll have: kmobiletools - the real application;

Re: Question on a package split

2006-08-21 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Francesco Pedrini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, then I will have: kmobiletools libkmobiletools libkmobiletools-dev and kmobiletools-plugin-kontact. It seems fine, I can always split the phone engines in a separated package when the GAMMU engine (and maybe others) will be added, I'm

Re: s390 build box?

2006-07-23 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apt-get install hercules. and then: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/giving_s_390_a_try.html It worked! I was able to not only build mod_bt under a virtual s/390, but actually get it up and running and test a few .torrents on it. :-)

s390 build box?

2006-07-18 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Please see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378375 I would like to test this bug fix on a s390 box before uploading it. Except I don't have access to an s390 box. :-/ I asked Bastian if he would be willing to test this before I get my sponsor to upload, but he hasn't

Re: s390 build box?

2006-07-18 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the Debian way of handling this? I know that if I upload the new package to unstable, it will at least be no worse than the previous version, but it also seems like a waste of time to upload it if it just has more problems under the s390 arch.

Re: s390 build box?

2006-07-18 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=mod-bt You'll see that it failed in five more architectures (mips powerpc sparc hppa m68k). In this case in particular, seems like all the big endian ones. :-) Aaahh very useful page, thanks :) My

Re: s390 build box?

2006-07-18 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but it also seems like a waste of time to upload it if it just has more problems under the s390 arch. Should I continue attempting to find an s390 box, is there something somebody out there can do to help, or should I just have my new packages

Re: Bug#377420: mod-bt - FTBFS: Not resolvable build dependencies

2006-07-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: mod-bt Version: 0.0.18+p4.1178-1 Severity: serious There was an error while trying to autobuild your package: Automatic build of mod-bt_0.0.18+p4.1178-1 on lxdebian.bfinv.de by sbuild/s390 85 [...] ** Using build dependencies supplied

Re: Bug#377420: mod-bt - FTBFS: Not resolvable build dependencies

2006-07-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:10:37AM -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: apache2-prefork-dev depends on libapr0-dev which conflicts with libapr1-dev. But that should be fine, since I depend on libapr1-dev *or* libapr0-dev, shouldn't it? pbuilder

Re: Bug#377420: mod-bt - FTBFS: Not resolvable build dependencies

2006-07-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Asheesh Laroia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if I have to remove the apr1 | apr0 sutff, then a new version of mod-bt (and every other apache2 module) will be neccessary when the switch to 2.2 happens. In theory you could just switch the order of apr1 | apr0. But I agree that this is less

Re: Bug#377420: mod-bt - FTBFS: Not resolvable build dependencies

2006-07-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, name it libapr-dev. If something really can use either one of the 2, I don't see why you should make a transition so hard and go and name it libapr0-dev. So I suggest you rename libapr0-dev to libapr-dev and make it provide libapr0-dev for now.

Re: pbuilder on sarge

2006-07-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I setup pbuilder to manage this? when I try to just do 'pbuilder create', it gives the error: E: Couldn't download slang1a-utf8 pbuilder: debootstrap failed I've got it working using '--distribution sarge', which is nice for checking the

Re: pbuilder on sarge

2006-07-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found that it is easier to have machines running each distro you want to build against, but it shouldn't be neccessary. Try a --distribution etch though; something that builds under etch should still run under sid. And no, you should

header sanity check?

2006-07-06 Thread Tyler MacDonald
I just created a /usr/local/include/hi_there.h , #include'd it from a header file, and built a -dev debian package containing that header file without any sort of warnings or errors. So it's really easy to package a -dev package with a header file, that #include's a header file in a package that

Re: changelog of debian policy?

2006-07-02 Thread Tyler MacDonald
tony mancill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: packaging of the policy, that URL's have passed by now. But what I guess you mean is the changes between policy versions, i.e. what you need to change to upgrade a package's standards-version. That information is in

Re: COPYING says GPL, but all headers say LGPL

2006-06-29 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They really should state that if it is their intention. A lot of those builder type programs do it, such as auto* bison and dh-make (I changed it after someone pointed out the problem with not having the specific exception). Fair enough

Re: COPYING says GPL, but all headers say LGPL

2006-06-28 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reluctant to do this. Too much information kills information. I don't for any of my autoconfed packages. The output files have do whatever type of license, as does most output files of this type. This makes me wonder about ppport.h in perl-XS

Re: COPYING says GPL, but all headers say LGPL

2006-06-28 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, if you run perl ppport.h --strip, all documentation *and* licensing information was removed. My feeling is that if the authors of Devel::PPPort allow the license to be removed (while still leaving other comments intact in the header file),

Need to include copyright for something that's only used by source?

2006-06-27 Thread Tyler MacDonald
mod_bt is now bundling Nik Clayton's libtap, an excellent little unit testing module. This module is only used by mod_bt during a make check, and is not installed (and not even used by the debian build process). The conditions for redistributing libtap are, * Redistribution and use in source

RFS: libtap (ITP #368985)

2006-06-22 Thread Tyler MacDonald
I have just finished getting Nik Clayton's libtap module debianized. It's a *really* simple unit testing module (lib+dev package = 13k) with no dependancies except libc, and I'm pretty sure I've got the debian/ directory right. The built .deb's are here: http://www.yi.org/~faraway/libtap/

Re: RFS: libtap (ITP #375014)

2006-06-22 Thread Tyler MacDonald
ugh... I just realized I put the wrong bug # in both my previous email and in the actual debian package I uploaded. The actual ITP 375014, and I've uploaded new .deb's to the site below. Sorry for the confusion. :-/ - Tyler Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just finished

Re: RFS: ccd2iso (ITP #373150)

2006-06-17 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Laszlo Boszormenyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree. Also, binary ones sounds better for me; or if someone would like to reinvent the wheel, then please do it in Python instead of Perl. I certainly hope this is just your opinion and isn't official debian advice... -

Re: Avoiding the Linux version of DLL Hell...

2006-06-05 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Redefined Horizons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to install a Debian package named Package A. Package A lists as a dependency another Debian package named Library A. However, if Package A requires version 2.0 of Library A, while another Debian package I have installed on my system, named

Re: Avoiding the Linux version of DLL Hell...

2006-06-05 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Redefined Horizons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler, What is the proper procedure for notifying the maintainer of a package about the dependency problem? A good way is to use the reportbug utility that comes with debian; reportbug offending package's name. Cheers,

man1 or man8?

2006-05-03 Thread Tyler MacDonald
I can't find a consistent rule for what should go into man1 vs. man8. For instance, apt-get can be used as an unprivileged user to download source tarballs, but it's in man8, whereas defoma-reconfigure, which can only be run as root, is located in man1. Under debian, bt_xml2db and bt_db2xml will

Re: man1 or man8?

2006-05-03 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't 100% clear for every case. Of course, when a package is solely useful to the system administrator to do system administrative tasks, it should belong in 8, and if it's neither of those it's in 1. But there's a lot in between like the examples

Re: packaging a release

2006-04-30 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Benjamin Mesing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: find release/$(deb_dir_name) -type d -name CVS | xargs rm -rf You know about cvs export? This would spare you to having to delete the CVS directories. But using cvs export also means I'd have to check-in every change I want to test,

packaging a release

2006-04-29 Thread Tyler MacDonald
I'd like to build my debian packages out of my repository, so I've added the following in my debian/rules... Is there a better, standardized way to do this? (I've already looked at cvs-buildpackage, but I want to move away from CVS sometime in the near future...) Thanks,

Re: packaging a release

2006-04-29 Thread Tyler MacDonald
gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are helpers for other version control systems, too: $ apt-cache search --names-only .*-buildpackage arch-buildpackage - tools for maintaining Debian packages using arch cvs-buildpackage - A set of Debian package scripts for CVS source trees.

Re: Getting *really* close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-27 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ /usr/bin/apxs2 -q LIBEXECDIR /usr/lib/apache2/modules Yet on my work system, lintian complains with that. On my home system, both with pbuilder and just plain debuild, the warning does not appear. This is confusing me. On my home system, I've

Re: Getting *really* close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The separate debian/ directory is sort of a psychological separation of hats that keeps it clearer that I may not always and forever wear both hats. The idea of a --with-debian-policy configure script argument occured to me today; having that

Re: Getting *really* close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyways, I've successfully moved to a non-native package and removed all lintian warnings, except one that shows up on my work machine, but not on my home machine: W: libapache2-mod-bt: binary-or-shlib

Re: Getting *really* close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, if $CFG_LIBEXECDIR in your build is /usr/local/lib, that's probably a problem. In general, the string /usr/local should not appear anywhere in your build for Debian packages. It doesn't, and apxs2's reply is the same on both systems: $

Getting close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-24 Thread Tyler MacDonald
I'm working on creating .deb packages for one of my projects, with the eventual goal of having it included in the debian distribution. I've browsed through the policy manual, new maintainers guide, etc, and I've successfully created a debian/ directory in my project that allows debuild to

Re: Getting close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-24 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just include no manpage at all. Don't silence Lintian for it, because man pages need to be made eventually. However, will the binaries really change that much that it creating man pages would be wasted effort? Just some general documentation is already

Re: Getting close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-24 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. W: libbtt: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libbtt.so.0.0.0 usr/lib/libbtt.so Should I care? Is it a public shared library? (Do other packages link to it?) If not, you can/should try to move it out of /usr/lib. It's

Re: Getting close to releasing my first .deb's... What's next?

2006-04-24 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The general rule of thumb is that if there is any intention whatsoever that the package be used on a platform other than Debian, the Debian packaging and the upstream source should be separate. Okay, so what do you guys do about upstream sources

Re: What is stripping in binary compilations ?

2006-04-22 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Maxim Vexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so where can I learn more about stripping I've tried to search the Debian developers reference guide and the gcc online documentations, as well as google but no useful information has turned up. Check out the strip manpage. :-) When an

php[4|5]+apache DSO - should I care about php4?

2006-04-21 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Hello, I'm working on debianizing my apache2 module (http://www.crackerjack.net/mod_bt/). My hope is to eventually become a debian package maintainer and supply debian with this apache2 extension. I've gotten the core shared libs and apache2 handler done, and now it's time for me to do

Re: php[4|5]+apache DSO - should I care about php4?

2006-04-21 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - change --with-php-config in my configure script to --with-php4-config and --with-php5-config, which would do the exact same thing, only twice. :-) - build that part of the source tree twice with two different sets of