Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:50:18PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread tony mancill
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, David B Harris wrote: Hardly. Every Debian Developer has the ability to run arbitrary code as root on everybody's system. Do you want to try and make the argument that regardless of whether the person has proved spiteful, unstable, mean, and just generally a jackass ...

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:33:11 -0700 (PDT) tony mancill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, this thread should probably be on newmaint, so I'm cross-posting it there. Please follow-up on newmaint. Replied to debian-newmaint@lists.debian.org, Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpbV9LOVYaBg.pgp

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:50:18PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Matt Ryan wrote: Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-17 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 01:03:36PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Matt Ryan wrote: Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Matt Ryan
Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the list archives. You'll find that this person

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:50:18 +0100 Matt Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant things happening to the Debian community and to our users at some point. Given the

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:47:57 -0700 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant things

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread tony mancill
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, David B Harris wrote: Hardly. Every Debian Developer has the ability to run arbitrary code as root on everybody's system. Do you want to try and make the argument that regardless of whether the person has proved spiteful, unstable, mean, and just generally a jackass ...

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:33:11 -0700 (PDT) tony mancill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, this thread should probably be on newmaint, so I'm cross-posting it there. Please follow-up on newmaint. Replied to [EMAIL PROTECTED], Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Matt Ryan
Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the list archives. You'll find that this person

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:50:18 +0100 Matt Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant things happening to the Debian community and to our users at some point. Given the

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-16 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:47:57 -0700 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:42:45 -0400 David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting rid of that examination would be very detrimental to Debian as a whole, and will likely result in some very, very unpleasant things

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. [ continued in debian-newmaint ] -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Mix a little foolishness with

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. The problem is that the last step doesn't have an odometer, nor a gas gauge, thus you don't know your mileage until you arrive. Anyway, [1] states that the DAM does have a backup (joey). Apparently, both haven't been able to

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Might it be possible to replace the single-point-of-failure DAM with a Peer Review system? I.e., some DDs (the existing AMs?) are tasked with It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. -- * There is no sweeter sound than

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. [ Also continued in -newmaint. Sorry about the confusion. ] -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

continued in -newmaint (Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done)

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
I wrote: [ stuff that should have gone to -newmaint ] Lack of sufficient sleep tends to do that to people. Sorry. -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 09:16, Jepri wrote: On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an excessive amount of time, what about all the others? Do you consider the

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. [ continued in debian-newmaint ] -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Mix a little foolishness with

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Might it be possible to replace the single-point-of-failure DAM with a Peer Review system? I.e., some DDs (the existing AMs?) are tasked with It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. -- * There is no sweeter sound than

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Joe Wreschnig wrote: So, it might take people 3 years, but YMMV. The problem is that the last step doesn't have an odometer, nor a gas gauge, thus you don't know your mileage until you arrive. Anyway, [1] states that the DAM does have a backup (joey). Apparently, both haven't been able to

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: It would still require DAM action to actually create the account. [ Also continued in -newmaint. Sorry about the confusion. ] -- Matthias Urlichs

continued in -newmaint (Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done)

2003-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
I wrote: [ stuff that should have gone to -newmaint ] Lack of sufficient sleep tends to do that to people. Sorry. -- Matthias Urlichs

Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jamin W. Collins
I spent the morning working up a short script to parse http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php and gather a list of all individuals that are listed as waiting for DAM approval. With this list, and the specific applicant status page, I've worked up the following list (sorted by date oldest to first). If

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Adam Heath
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the list archives. You'll find that this person might never be allowed

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jepri
On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an excessive amount of time, what about all the others? Do you consider the wait times listed as reasonable and to be expected? As

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 09:16, Jepri wrote: On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an excessive amount of time, what about all the others? Do you consider the

Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jamin W. Collins
I spent the morning working up a short script to parse http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php and gather a list of all individuals that are listed as waiting for DAM approval. With this list, and the specific applicant status page, I've worked up the following list (sorted by date oldest to first). If

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Adam Heath
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the list archives. You'll find that this person might never be allowed

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: 2000-12-17 - Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=erayo%40cs.bilkent.edu.tr * DAM Comment: Have asked applicant to get 5 sponsors. Read the

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-07-13 Thread Jepri
On 2003.07.14 08:26, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:15:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Also that is but one of many people waiting on the list for an excessive amount of time, what about all the others? Do you consider the wait times listed as reasonable and to be expected?