Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I don't know. Until today I've contacted them three times and there as been no response except for an acknowledgement of receipt. Therefore I don't think they'd turn out to be more responsive if I came begging for money... It's actually called

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I don't know. Until today I've contacted them three times and there as been no response except for an acknowledgement of receipt. Therefore I don't think they'd turn out to be more responsive if I came begging for money... It's actually called

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-03 Thread Johannes Rohr
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:13:56PM +0100, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I am examining if it is possible to replace the installer package with a package that contains the actual software. So I'm not planning to make more non-free software available

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that they just don't care at all about Debian. I really wonder _how_ they build their debs. I mean: A binary package which has a Build-depends field - wouldn't dpkg-buildpackage give an error message on this? What makes you think they use

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-03 Thread Johannes Rohr
Kalle Kivimaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that they just don't care at all about Debian. I really wonder _how_ they build their debs. I mean: A binary package which has a Build-depends field - wouldn't dpkg-buildpackage give an error

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-03 Thread Johannes Rohr
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:13:56PM +0100, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I am examining if it is possible to replace the installer package with a package that contains the actual software. So I'm not planning to make more non-free software available

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that they just don't care at all about Debian. I really wonder _how_ they build their debs. I mean: A binary package which has a Build-depends field - wouldn't dpkg-buildpackage give an error message on this? What makes you think they use

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-03 Thread Johannes Rohr
Kalle Kivimaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that they just don't care at all about Debian. I really wonder _how_ they build their debs. I mean: A binary package which has a Build-depends field - wouldn't dpkg-buildpackage give an error

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 02:07:02AM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: [packing a virus detection program] amavis is already in Debian. It needs a third party virus scanner to work. Also clamav is already in Debian. (I never heard of it before.). So now I can choose either to abandon my one and

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Rohr
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 11:34:20AM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: [packing a virus detection program] amavis is already in Debian. It needs a third party virus scanner to work. Also clamav is already in Debian. (I never heard of it before.). So now I can choose either to abandon my one

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 02:07:02AM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, BTW, I would really, really prefer to maintain Free Software, not *only* for political reasons but also because a commercial vendor is obviously the least responsive

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I am examining if it is possible to replace the installer package with a package that contains the actual software. So I'm not planning to make more non-free software available to Debian users, but simply to replace an existing package by

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 02:07:02AM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: [packing a virus detection program] amavis is already in Debian. It needs a third party virus scanner to work. Also clamav is already in Debian. (I never heard of it before.). So now I can choose either to abandon my one and

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Rohr
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 11:34:20AM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: [packing a virus detection program] amavis is already in Debian. It needs a third party virus scanner to work. Also clamav is already in Debian. (I never heard of it before.). So now I can choose either to abandon my one

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 02:07:02AM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, BTW, I would really, really prefer to maintain Free Software, not *only* for political reasons but also because a commercial vendor is obviously the least responsive

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Johannes Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I am examining if it is possible to replace the installer package with a package that contains the actual software. So I'm not planning to make more non-free software available to Debian users, but simply to replace an existing package by

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Johannes Rohr
Robert Bihlmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, non-free only needs permission to redistribute. Yes. For examples of disqualified-from-non-free software look at the various installers. Newer Sun JDKs also haven't made it into non-free (don't

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:19:48PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? In the Debian Policy 2.1.6 there is a warning about usage restrictions but no definite

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Johannes Rohr
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:19:48PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? In the Debian Policy 2.1.6 there is a

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030301T132435+0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: Is there a list of removed packages available anywhere, together with reasons for the removal? http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt lists removals starting some two years ago. F-Prot for GNU/Linux _has_ been distributed by others, e.g. by

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 10:22:20PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: Well I fully agree with you, but let me explain: Completely by chance I took over maintainership of the f-prot-installer package, which is in contrib. Since an installer package may easily fail (when the vendor changes file names,

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Johannes Rohr
Robert Bihlmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, non-free only needs permission to redistribute. Yes. For examples of disqualified-from-non-free software look at the various installers. Newer Sun JDKs also haven't made it into non-free (don't

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:19:48PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? In the Debian Policy 2.1.6 there is a warning about usage restrictions but no definite

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Johannes Rohr
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:19:48PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? In the Debian Policy 2.1.6 there is a

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030301T132435+0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: Is there a list of removed packages available anywhere, together with reasons for the removal? http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt lists removals starting some two years ago. F-Prot for GNU/Linux _has_ been distributed by others, e.g. by

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 10:22:20PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: Well I fully agree with you, but let me explain: Completely by chance I took over maintainership of the f-prot-installer package, which is in contrib. Since an installer package may easily fail (when the vendor changes file names,

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-03-01 Thread Johannes Rohr
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Personally, BTW, I would really, really prefer to maintain Free Software, not *only* for political reasons but also because a commercial vendor is obviously the least responsive upstream you can have. And also, not having access to the

How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Johannes Rohr
Hello there, if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? In the Debian Policy 2.1.6 there is a warning about usage restrictions but no definite statement. Thanks, Johannes -- ~/.signature under

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Xavier Roche
if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html) 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict anyone from making use

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Johannes Rohr
Xavier Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html) 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:01:05PM +0100, Xavier Roche wrote: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html) 6. No Discrimination Against

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, non-free only needs permission to redistribute. Yes. For examples of disqualified-from-non-free software look at the various installers. Newer Sun JDKs also haven't made it into non-free (don't remember why). We also sometimes disqualify software

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:50:39PM +0100, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, non-free only needs permission to redistribute. Yes. For examples of disqualified-from-non-free software look at the various installers. Newer Sun JDKs also haven't made it into

How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Johannes Rohr
Hello there, if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? In the Debian Policy 2.1.6 there is a warning about usage restrictions but no definite statement. Thanks, Johannes -- ~/.signature under

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:19:48PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? No, that's a classic example of the sort of thing that *is* included in non-free. The sort

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Xavier Roche
if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html) 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict anyone from making use

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Johannes Rohr
Xavier Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html) 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 04:01:05PM +0100, Xavier Roche wrote: if a program license restricts usage to e.g. non-commercial use only, will this (usually) disqualify a package from inclusion into non-free? DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html) 6. No Discrimination Against

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, non-free only needs permission to redistribute. Yes. For examples of disqualified-from-non-free software look at the various installers. Newer Sun JDKs also haven't made it into non-free (don't remember why). We also sometimes disqualify software

Re: How free does a non-free package have to be?

2003-02-27 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:50:39PM +0100, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, non-free only needs permission to redistribute. Yes. For examples of disqualified-from-non-free software look at the various installers. Newer Sun JDKs also haven't made it into