Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-14 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
Hi, On Tue, 13 May 2003, Rene Engelhard wrote: And that looks like it is f*cked. Is this Depends: done manually? I do not thing dpkg-shlibdeps did that. Where is libc6? Actually i was only worried about the licence because i know it can't be there. We use it at work :-) Fabio -- Our

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-14 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
Hi, On Tue, 13 May 2003, Emile van Bergen wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:16:38PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: I think upload must be moderated somehow. Even the uploader himself claim that he is unsure about licence of the product. Well, if the packages can only be

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-14 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
Hi, On Tue, 13 May 2003, Christoph Haas wrote: Hi, Fabio... On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:16:38PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Really nice job but the first side effect is already there: Package: icaclient Thanks for the hint. That was a test package I was uploading to stress

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Colin Watson wrote: Perhaps an easy thing to do would just be to show whether or not a pckage is signed by a key which is signed by a real debian developer. Ie, use the web of trust. Then at least one can be reasonable sure that the maintainer is real. Surely getting that signature

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-14 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:26:13AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Colin Watson wrote: I would strongly suggest that you use a write-only incoming, and a signature checker which moves packages to the download area if they're OK. That checker should do the following: - start with the

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ivo Marino wrote: Checking application/pgp-signature: FAILURE - -- Start of PGP signed section. On Tue, 13 May 2003, Matthew Palmer wrote: It appears as though anyone who has an account can upload any package they like. While this isn't a

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread tony mancill
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Daniel K. Gebhart wrote: Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:36:12AM +1000: *very* serious problem for anyone who starts relying on the binary packages uploaded to m.d.n. What sort of protections do you have in place or plan to put in

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 10:48:03PM +0200, Daniel K. Gebhart wrote: --- Debian Mentors Project The mentors core-team is: Christoph Haas (ChrisH)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ivo Marino (eim) [EMAIL

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:29:00AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:41:40PM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: Perhaps an easy thing to do would just be to show whether or not a pckage is signed by a key which is signed by a real debian developer. Surely getting that signature

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Christoph Haas
Hi, Anthony... On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 03:51:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Uh, as far as I can tell, of the above only Daniel is even in the n-m queue; Christoph, Ivo and Christoph appear to not be developers, applicants, or even sponsored maintainers of any packages in the archive. You

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:30:03AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:29:00AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:41:40PM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: Perhaps an easy thing to do would just be to show whether or not a pckage is signed by a key which is

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 03:51:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Daniel K. Gebhart (con-fuse) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christoph Siess (CHS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why are we giving debian.net addresses to people who don't want to go through the pain of authenticating themselves to

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:02:11AM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: Please bear with me but from what I was told by a number of package maintainers it is a really long way until one has become a DD. Just because Daniel was assigned an AM does not mean there is a guarantee he will get his DD access

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:34:08AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:02:11AM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: Please bear with me but from what I was told by a number of package maintainers it is a really long way until one has become a DD. Just

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 03:51:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 10:48:03PM +0200, Daniel K. Gebhart wrote: --- Debian Mentors Project The mentors core-team is: Christoph Haas (ChrisH

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Bastian Kleineidam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emile, On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 12:07:12PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: I think there is a niche for such non-DD contributors. Not only in bugreporting and bugfixing, but also in packaging work. I would not emphasize on DD vs. non-DD but on

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:02:11AM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: You are right. I do plan to apply in a few weeks. However the service was created especially for people who e.g. have written an application themselves and do not care about becoming a DD. Is that such a good thing? It might get

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Bob Hilliard
Christoph Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However the service was created especially for people who e.g. have written an application themselves and do not care about becoming a DD. I object to the conept of people who do not care about

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:48:49AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 12:07:12PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: [...] Regardless, I actually think it's a wonderful scaleability measure to provide some infrastructure that allows DDs to delegate some of

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:41:12PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: That's not mutually exclusive. Also, you ask who would ever wish to delegate the maintainership of a package. I think the answer is every DD who has filed a RFA on a package. RFA is a Request For Adoption, not a delegation.

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Fielder George Dowding
On Tue, 13 May 2003 14:11:05 +0200 Bastian Kleineidam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If there are people willing to adopt a package, they should start renaming the O: bug to an ITA:. If the bug is still O:, there is nobody caring for that packge. I have attempted to indicate my willingness to

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
for Sponsorship of future Debian developers. It's a great resource, but The Debian Mentors Project takes things a few steps further. mentors.debian.net provides a place to put packages and a chance for people to use the Debian system for uploading packages (dupload, dput...). It also allows

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
Hi Daniel, On Mon, 12 May 2003, Daniel K. Gebhart wrote: We are very proud to announce the opening of the mentors project. We have been working very hard[1] on this project since beginning of 2003. Now the time has come to test and use it! Really nice job but the first side effect is

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Christoph Haas
Hi, Fabio... On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:16:38PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Really nice job but the first side effect is already there: Package: icaclient Thanks for the hint. That was a test package I was uploading to stress test the dupload process on the server. It wasn't really

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: Really nice job but the first side effect is already there: Package: icaclient Version: 6.30-2 Priority: optional Section: net Maintainer: Christoph Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depends: libxaw7 And that looks like it is f*cked. Is this Depends: done

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:16:38PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: I think upload must be moderated somehow. Even the uploader himself claim that he is unsure about licence of the product. Well, if the packages can only be downloaded by registered DDs, then the problem's solved I'd

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 11:40:04PM -0400, Joe Nahmias wrote: If I may make a suggestion, a user should only be able to upload a package that either: a) doesn't appear in the repository - -or- b) already has the uploader as maintainer - -or- c) has a RFA/O bug filed in WNPP

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, 12 May 2003, tony mancill wrote: Appropos of this and Colin's statement, my suggestion is to make only a deb-src URL available on the site, and to only host source packages. For That would be one way to solve the problem. packages destined for the Debian archive, it's critical that

The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-12 Thread Daniel K. Gebhart
--- Debian Mentors Project http://mentors.debian.net/ opening - 12. May 2003 --- We are very proud to announce the opening of the mentors project. We

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, 12 May 2003, Daniel K. Gebhart wrote: This project is a benefit for maintainers (non-DDs) and their sponsors (DDs). Maintainers are able to upload packagages to mentors.debian.net and point their sponsors to this server. Sponsors can download and test this packages by downloading

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-12 Thread Ivo Marino
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Matthew Palmer wrote: First off, thanks for the effort spent in getting this working. It seems like it could be a useful resource for the non-DD packaging public (heh). I have a few issues with your upload queue support, in particular. First of all thanks for your

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-12 Thread Jack Moffitt
Of course we can't actually ensure that all uploaded packages on the system are secure, for now we trust the testers of the system but in future we'll introduce higher security standards. If someone can allready point out an eventual solution for this problem we'll open to consider any

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-12 Thread Daniel K. Gebhart
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:36:12AM +1000: *very* serious problem for anyone who starts relying on the binary packages uploaded to m.d.n. What sort of protections do you have in place or plan to put in place to protect against this sort of thing? The mentors

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:41:40PM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: Ivo Marino wrote: Of course we can't actually ensure that all uploaded packages on the system are secure, for now we trust the testers of the system but in future we'll introduce higher security standards. If someone can

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Daniel K. Gebhart wrote: Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:36:12AM +1000: *very* serious problem for anyone who starts relying on the binary packages uploaded to m.d.n. What sort of protections do you have in place or plan to put in