Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-13 Thread Jens Peter Secher
On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks - I have read the whole > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/msg00760.html thread now, as > well as have skimmed the debian-mentors thread another posted here. > > I agree whole-heartedly with your position, which has been

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Biebl
Asheesh Laroia wrote: Dear Mentors, I'm a Debian Maintainer now and am uploading a new release of my package alpine, for which I successfully uploaded 1.0+dfsg-1 to the archive. I noticed that according to http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=alpine , the Debian archive never builds i386

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-13 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Asheesh Laroia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080112 11:41]: That's exactly the point: at the moment, source-only uploads are REJECTED. You have to provide at least the binaries for one architecture. Interesting. Is there a reason for this policy, or is i

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Ove Kaaven
Asheesh Laroia skrev: others here on debian-mentors and on debian-devel. I think "Require binaries and throw them away" is a very good strategy. It seems there is fairly wide consensus that having the buildds build every package is a good thing. Man, source-only uploads would literally save

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote: On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I realize that the "arch: all" packages would need technical attention before the policy can be realized in practice, and there may be other small technical issues to work out, but I imagine there are solutions to

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > I realize that the "arch: all" packages would need technical attention > before the policy can be realized in practice, and there may be other > small technical issues to work out, but I imagine there are solutions > to those issues. I guess some packages mig

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:51:14AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: ISTR it was intended to ensure the package at least builds fine in the developer's environment, to reduce FTBFSes. I wasn't there at that time though, but I've been told several times

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > While a minimal chroot is good to test against missing > build-dependencies, a full real-world system is needed to test for > missing build-conflicts or configure switches to disable specific > autodetections. But nothing in the current system ensures that packages are bu

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Cyril Brulebois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080112 14:38]: > Well, no. A ???pure unstable environment??? on a development box can have > various configuration tweaks, differing from the defaults shipped with > the packages, and that can impact the built binaries. Source packages are supposed to be also

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > While a minimal chroot is good to test against missing > build-dependencies, a full real-world system is needed to test for > missing build-conflicts or configure switches to disable specific > autodetections. Sure. > So when you get disparities between a

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Cyril Brulebois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080112 12:13]: > But nothing ensures it is built in a chroot, which might occasion > disparities between uploaded binaries and built-on-the-buildd-network > binaries. Binaries do not need a chroot, just a clean unstable environment. While a minimal chroot is

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Asheesh Laroia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080112 11:41]: > >That's exactly the point: at the moment, source-only uploads are > >REJECTED. You have to provide at least the binaries for one > >architecture. > > Interesting. Is there a reason for this policy, or is it just > historical? Sorry if this

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:51:14AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > ISTR it was intended to ensure the package at least builds fine in the > developer's environment, to reduce FTBFSes. I wasn't there at that time > though, but I've been told several times that I'll be an old DD before > it gets a ch

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Colin Tuckley wrote: > It's a bit of a historical thing, left over from the days when > everybody used i386 boxes. There is only one i386 buildd (which was > down recently). > > The idea is that since you should be test building your package in a > clean sid chroot anyway you might

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Colin Tuckley
Asheesh Laroia wrote: > I'm a Debian Maintainer now Congratulations. > That sort of creeps me out - I'd much rather exercise a buildd and make > sure that a pristine package gets into the archive. It's a bit of a historical thing, left over from the days when everybody used i386 boxes. There is

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Please use list-reply. No need to Cc people if they didn't request it, see the Debian lists policy. On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > Interesting. Is there a reason for this policy, or is it just > historical? ISTR it was intended to ensure the package at least builds fine in the developer'

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Rejected: source only uploads are not supported. That's exactly the point: at the moment, source-only uploads are REJECTED. You have to provide at least the binaries for one architecture. Interesting. Is there a reason for this policy, or is it ju

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 12/01/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > I'm a Debian Maintainer now and am uploading a new release of my > package alpine, for which I successfully uploaded 1.0+dfsg-1 to the > archive. Indeed, check[1]. 1. http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alpine/news/20080105T014704Z.html > I noticed that accord

Re: alpine_1.0+dfsg-2_source.changes REJECTED

2008-01-12 Thread Asheesh Laroia
Dear Mentors, I'm a Debian Maintainer now and am uploading a new release of my package alpine, for which I successfully uploaded 1.0+dfsg-1 to the archive. I noticed that according to http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=alpine , the Debian archive never builds i386 packages. To my surpri