Re: Time delay between RFS messages

2011-10-19 Thread Arno Töll
Hello Boris,

On 18.10.2011 13:13, Boris Pek wrote:
 So how long I should wait to sent repeated message in these cases?
 (Since last message or since first message in that thread)

I am sorry to hear you can't find a sponsor. There is definitively room
for improvements left and we're discussing possibilities to improve the
situation. The latest plan is to track sponsor requests as bugs instead.

Regarding your question, there is no strict rule. Typically people seem
to ping every few weeks again. Just don't flood the list with your
request and nobody will mind you doing a re-post.

If you file a RFS for another time, please make sure your mail reader
files a correct follow-up header to point people to previous discussions
on your package (if any). Moreover, you may want to consider to ask
relevant teams or individuals aside of formal requests to this list.
Possibly a developer maintaining packages similar to yours might be
interested to sponsor you.
Also, certain types of packages are being maintained in teams. In such
cases you should consider joining that team. Typically package
sponsoring is handled privately in packaging teams.

 I didn't use RFS before and I didn't find this info in the FAQ.

Which FAQ do you mean? I admit, there is room for improvement left on
mentors.d.n.


 But I think this question can be added somewhere in documentation.

Yes, my pending change on mentors.d.n will outline the role of sponsors
and emphasize communication channels between sponsors and people looking
for team.

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Re: Notes about mentors.debian.net

2011-10-11 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello Boris,

On 10.10.2011 12:31, Boris Pek wrote:
 1) Successfully uploaded packages are not deleted from mentors.debian.net as 
 it
 was earlier. There is no even such option in account settings. So people 
 should
 remove own packages manually. Not all need current functional for package
 reviewing...

There is a setting. If you are logged in, you can remove a package by
clicking on the Delete package link.

 2) There is no any marker that a package was uploaded to the Debian in package
 details page.

Such packages are being removed (again) in future. The code is already
there [1].

 3) Some time ago it was very interesting field with counter in package details
 page. That counter was showing the number of downloads by potential sponsors.
 There is no such useful counter now. Was it something wrong with its 
 algorithm?

I didn't assume anyone would miss it. Apparently people do, so it may
come back in future. Or, if you want, send me a patch enabling it.
Unless I am mistaken we have some code tracking it already.


 PS: debexpo-devel mailing list looks like realy dead:
 http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debexpo-devel/
 http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debexpo-devel/2011-September/09.html

Yes. My apologies. We might decide soon what to do with the mailing list
to avoid any confusion.

[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debexpo/debexpo.git;a=blob;f=debexpo/cronjobs/removeolduploads.py;h=e710b2b05f31f3ba72bd3221d1be9ef4828bcb5b;hb=refs/heads/devel

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Re: dput failure to mentors.debian.net

2011-10-10 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello Paul,

On 10.10.2011 09:26, Paul Elliott wrote:
 Because of previous difficulty dput'ing swe-standard-data with http
 I decided to upload it with ftp. Here is the console output: As you can see 
 in 
 succeeds.

you should have gotten this email:


01:10:08,161 ERROR [debexpo.importer.3192] Rejected: You are not
uploading to one of those Debian distributions: oldstable stable
unstable experimental stable-backports oldstable-backports
oldstable-backports-sloppy stable-security testing-security
stable-proposed-updates testing-proposed-updates sid wheezy squeeze
lenny squeeze-backports lenny-backports lenny-security
lenny-backports-sloppy lenny-volatile squeeze-security squeeze-updates
wheezy-security


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Re: needs a sponsor column in m.d.n

2011-10-10 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello,

On 10.10.2011 10:22, Rodolfo kix Garcia wrote:
 I meant that in the webpage (http://mentors.debian.org) shows only the
 packages that needs a sponsor.

But http://mentors.debian.net/packages/index shows them all. Do you want
to get rid of the flag or just don't display it where it is implied the
package needs a sponsor (e.g. on the start page)?

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Re: Did mistake in signaturing, and can't fix this by dcut.

2011-10-08 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello again,

On 08.10.2011 22:05, Tal Hadad wrote:
 The maintainer send me this:
 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

in case I was unclear: You can not upload to ftp-master.debian.org.
You are not allowed to upload to ftp-master.debian.org.

You need to find a sponsor which uploads a package on your behalf. To do
so, upload your package to mentors.debian.net NOT ftp-master.debian.org.

(I possibly have understood some parts wrong in your explanation. I'm
sorry.)
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Re: Did mistake in signaturing, and can't fix this by dcut.

2011-10-08 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello,

On 08.10.2011 22:21, Tal Hadad wrote:
 Sorry for being misunderstood, but read carefully- I said I get this error 
 using
 DPUT, and it SHOULD recognize and allow me.
 I uploaded changes file, so this is why I'm wondering.

I'm sorry but you don't seem to be a Debian Developer, and only Debian
Developers are allowed to upload to ftp-master.
This is not a problem of dput which will happily upload whatever you
feed into it.

What makes you think you should be allowed to upload packages to Debian?


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Re: Did mistake in signaturing, and can't fix this by dcut.

2011-10-07 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello Tal,

On 07.10.2011 10:08, Tal Hadad wrote:
 The maintainer, whom the failure mail was send to, have suggest me to remove
 the package and try again. Still 0.1.29 is there so I can't.
 Then I've found out that I can use dcut. I've created a signed reset.commands 
 file:
..
 FTP Master queue daemon sent me this:
 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
 (Exit status 2)
 /reset.commands has bad PGP/GnuPG signature!


I'm sorry if I can't help you appropriately but your question confused
me a bit. I try to paraphrase what you tried, please tell me where I'm
wrong:

You are neither a Debian Developer nor a Debian Maintainer, hence a
sponsor of you uploaded xnoise 0.1.29. For some reasons I don't quite
understood that turned out to be the wrong package which was not
supposed to be uploaded to Debian.

Hence, you now decided to dcut (cancel) that upload, but the ftp-master
refuses your signature because it didn't find your public key?


Given I was right with my summary, you can't dcut uploads made to
Debian. ftp-master only accepts signatures from Debian Developers (not
sure about Debian Maintainers who try to dcut their own package with
DMUA set). The key you uploaded to mentors.debian.net is not related
here, that key is only used _there_ to verify your uploads, it has no
relevance for the ftp-master.

If you:

a) uploaded xnoise to ftp-master yourself but you are not a Debian
Developer or Debian Maintainer with DMUA set (don't worry if you don't
understand, I can see the package is NEW - so it does not matter anyway)
just wait. Your upload will automatically be removed as you can't upload
directly to Debian anyway

b) You seem not to have uploaded a changes file, hence ftp-master
considers your upload incomplete. Just wait, it will remove both of your
uploads automatically anyway

c) had a sponsor which uploaded xnoise for you, only your sponsor can
use dcut, or at least he needs to sign your commands file.

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Re: RFS: leechcraft (closes ITP bug)

2011-10-03 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello Boris,

On 03.10.2011 20:38, Boris Pek wrote:
 It builds those binary packages:
  leechcraft - Core executable of LeechCraft
  leechcraft-aggregator - RSS/Atom feed reader for LeechCraft
 []
 
 None of the short descriptions make any sense to me without knowing what 
 leechcraft is.
 
 Thank you for interest. Of cause I can describe in more detail.

I guess, what Bernhard wanted to imply is, that you should improve the
understandability of your short package descriptions in a way you don't
need to know already what Leechcraft is about.


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Re: RFS: snes9x

2011-10-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello Michael,

On 03.10.2011 00:51, Michael Moorman wrote:
 Is the non-commercial use clause what
 makes it non-free according to the DFSG?
 

quoting from the license (highlighting by me):

   Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute Snes9x in both binary and
   source form, for non-commercial purposes, is hereby granted without fee,
 
   providing that this license information and copyright notice appear with
   all copies and any derived work.

That's a clear contradiction to our Debian Free Software Guidelines
(DFSG) where I quote §6 (No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor)
[1]. So yes, this restriction makes your package non-free. Everything
else reads ok to me and would qualify as free software.


[1] http://www.debian.org/social_contract
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New software revision on mentors.debian.net

2011-09-30 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello,
I just deployed a software revision of Debexpo, the software running
mentors.debian.net. The visible changes are low and mostly related to
the completely rewritten introduction for new maintainers [1]. However
the code base got support for more features coming up soon I will
announce once again when they are ready.

Having that said, this new software revision also merged a lot of
(invisible) bug fixes into the live site. In particular:

* Debian revision uploads without full source (e.g. mypackage_1.0-2) are
now correctly imported if the orig.tar.gz was found on official Debian
mirrors

* Native packages are correctly imported (this does not mean you should
be uploading native packages unless you know what you are doing)

* Allowed distributions to be uploaded are now: oldstable', 'stable',
'unstable', 'experimental', 'stable-backports', 'oldstable-backports',
'oldstable-backports-sloppy', 'stable-security', 'testing-security',
'stable-proposed-updates', 'testing-proposed-updates', 'sid', 'wheezy',
'squeeze', 'lenny', 'squeeze-backports', 'lenny-backports',
'lenny-security', 'lenny-backports-sloppy', 'lenny-volatile',
'squeeze-security', 'squeeze-updates', 'wheezy-security'. Something for
everyone of you. I hope.

* While we're at it: When rejecting incomplete uploads (because of a
missing orig.tar.gz for example), Debexpo gives now an improved error
reason pointing the uploader to the most likely problem

* There should be no HTML display issues anymore, e.g. on error pages

Finally, a random poll: Are you bored from announcements like this, I
make on this mailing list regarding Debexpo software updates and bugs
since that's not /entirely/ on-topic here and you would hence prefer to
use our own mailing list for that purpose? Or would you say: it's ok, we
use mentors.d.n anyway, just go on?


[1] http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
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Re: reportbug: support for mentors.debian.org pseudo package

2011-09-30 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello Michael,

On 30.09.2011 21:57, Michael Gilbert wrote:
 Then let's get mentors officialized to tear down this barrier!

This is not something I or you or anyone else could push forward right
now here. This is something which needs consensus among Debian
Developers and a DPL accepting that. And, finally some DDs who would
need to be delegated there.

Feel free to open a thread on debian-devel and/or get our beloved DPL's
opinion on that matter. Eventually you should find two developers first
which would agree with you pushing things forward here.

 In my opinion a term like contributors would be much more
 empowering.  It would better convey the fact that this is as a place
 for new contributors to work together, learn, evolve, and grow within
 the project. 

We are all contributors. Those who need the mentors.debian.net and those
who don't. There is still room for improvements left.

 I agree, I chose this approach since it's possible to implement right
 now; although it's certainly fragile (certain changes to the mentors
 pages will break the scraping algorithms).  A soap based interface
 would be wonderful!

In fact, I noticed there is already a SOAP interface. Apparently nobody
used it since 2+ years though, so it may be working or not, but it seems
ok, generally speaking:

 import SOAPpy
 server = SOAPpy.SOAPProxy(http://mentors.debian.net/soap.wsdl;)
 server.config.dumpSOAPIn = 1
 server.package(name='lighttpd',version='1.4.29-1')
*** Incoming SOAP **
SOAP-ENV:Envelope xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/1999/XMLSchema-instance;
xmlns:SOAP-ENV=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/;
SOAP-ENV:Body
packageResponse
packageResult type=tns:stringArray
string xsi:type=xs:stringlighttpd/string
string xsi:type=xs:stringArno Töll 
lt;deb...@toell.netgt;/string
string xsi:type=xs:stringlighttpd   - fast webserver with 
minimal
memory footprint
...
/string
string xsi:type=xs:string0/string
string xsi:type=xs:string1.4.29-1/string
string xsi:type=xs:stringhttpd/string
string xsi:type=xs:stringunstable/string
string xsi:type=xs:stringmain/string
string xsi:type=xs:stringoptional/string
string xsi:type=xs:string629638/string
string xsi:type=xs:string2011-09-30 15:13:18.862216/string
/packageResult
/packageResponse
/SOAP-ENV:Body
/SOAP-ENV:Envelope

...


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Re: reportbug: support for mentors.debian.org pseudo package

2011-09-29 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello Michael,
(sorry, wrote you and the bug instead of d-mentors before)

On 29.09.2011 06:32, Michael Gilbert wrote:
 I've written a patch to tentatively support a mentors.debian.org pseudo
 package (in order to better track and support the incredible volume of
 sponsorship requests and such).

I appreciate your efforts and I like the idea of reportbug integration.
I won't comment about the patch itself, I am not maintaining the
reportbug package, so I can't judge.

However please note, mentors.debian.NET is not an official Debian
project. The .net indicates a subtle difference. While some people,
including Don, agreed in eventually having a debian-mentors pseudo
package that would be associated with the debian-mentors mailing list,
not with mentors.debian.net (i.e. Debexpo, the sofware running there).

Hence I don't think any tight mentors.d.n integration of reportbug would
be appropriate for the time being. Also I am not particularly convinced
on the way you do it (content scraping). If you want, I will gratefully
merge a SOAP interface into Debexpo you could query though.

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Re: Attempt to dput fails.

2011-09-25 Thread Arno Töll
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On 25.09.2011 09:58, Paul Elliott wrote:
 It may be because this is a data package and therefore large. The file it 
 apparently chokes on, swe-standard-data_1-1_all.deb, is 34M in size.

That should not be a problem. Eventually it is for our fragile setup
right now, which is proxying requests to the real server because we
still couldn't move the DNS pointer. Besides pabs is probably right: Our
HTTP proxy might time for such large uploads.

I'm afraid, I can't do much here as the DNS pointer is beyond my control.

 I would like to try method = ftp but that asks for a password and neither
  or anonymous works!

Use this configuration for FTP uploads:

[mentors-ftp]
fqdn = mentors.debian.net
login = anonymous
progress_indicator = 2
passive_ftp = 1
incoming = /
method = ftp
allow_unsigned_uploads = 0

Note, this goes through a proxy as well ...

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Re: Attempt to dput fails.

2011-09-25 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Paul,

On 25.09.2011 15:56, Paul Elliott wrote:
 I think the my account page should show how to setup .dput.cf for ftp as 
 well. 
 It took me a while to guess how this should look to make ftp work.

There is a commit pending which does exactly that. It will be shown on
http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers soon.

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Re: E helper-templates-in-copyright

2011-09-24 Thread Arno Töll
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On 24.09.2011 13:56, Julien Valroff wrote:
 Upstream Author(s):
   ^

Yes, that's the problem. Lintian checks the following patterns:

if (m,\fill in (?:http/)?ftp site\,o or
m,\Must follow here\,o or
m,\Put the license of the package here,o or
m,\put author[\'\(]s\)? name and email here\,o or
m,\Copyright \(C\)  Name OfAuthor\,o or
m,Upstream Author\(s\),o or
m,\years\,o or
m,\special license\,o or
m,\Put the license of the package here indented by 1 space\,o or
m,\This follows the format of Description: lines in control file\,o or
m,\Including paragraphs\,o or
m,\likewise for another author\,o) {
tag 'helper-templates-in-copyright';
}


Its not exactly obvious, the Author(s) shall be replaced though, I admit.

Moreover you eventually want to use DEP-5 instead, please see [1]. DEP-5
is required for many sponsored maintainers from their sponsors, but no
global Debian requirement.

[1] http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
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Re: I can not register.

2011-09-24 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Paul,

On 24.09.2011 21:29, Paul Elliott wrote:
 Help I need to register to send my package so people can find fault with it!

Could you forward me your registration mail? Please don't post the full
URL publicly though as it contains your double-opt-in activation string.
(Would you trust me, if I claim it is ok to forward me the mail though?)

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Re: mentors.debian.net moved to new hardware

2011-09-22 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Tony,

On 22.09.2011 15:51, Tony Houghton wrote:
 On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:08:33 +0200
 Does it include the new version of debexpo that was soon to be deployed?
 In particular I'm waiting for a bugfix to allow uploading to
 experimental.

No, not yet - sorry. I intend to deploy that very soon, unfortunately I
still got no acknowledge from Asheesh, as the patch you are referring to
is embedded in a major change and can't easily cherry-picked.

As soon as we did, I will write a separate announcement. Sorry for the
hassle.

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Re: mentors.debian.net time in sync?

2011-09-21 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Jeroen,
On 21.09.2011 11:22, Jeroen Nijhof wrote:
 Hi Arno,
 E: libpam-tacplus: tar-errors-from-data ./lib/security/pam_tacplus.so:
 time stamp 2011-09-21 08:46:23 is 6411.189313009 s in the future

Don't worry, that's Lintian, not a reject. Your package is perfectly
reachable to everyone else. Regarding the Lintian error itself, you
eventually didn't configure your local time accordingly.

Our server runs with a time zone configured to be UTC and tar is
supposed to cope with time zones. Yet we had your problem occasionally,
but we never found the particular reason, so we expected the packages to
/really/ have configured their clocks that way.

If you have any other evidence, please let me know.

(replied public, as I guess you just hit the wrong button in your MUA)
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Re: mentors.debian.net time in sync?

2011-09-21 Thread Arno Töll
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On 21.09.2011 11:39, Fabrizio Regalli wrote:
 Same message for me:
 http://mentors.debian.net/package/gnupg-pkcs11-scd

I correct myself: Our clock is /supposed/ to run with UTC as local time.
Now it really is (again).

If both of you care enough, you can re-upload your packages to get a
fresh Lintian run.

Thanks for reporting.
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Re: mentors.debian.net time in sync?

2011-09-21 Thread Arno Töll
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On 21.09.2011 12:10, Fabrizio Regalli wrote:
 PS I can't delete my previous uploaded package: it gives me an internal
 error 500, in details:

That's a known (and fixed) bug, supposed to be deployed soon.

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Re: Tracking RFSs as bugs

2011-09-21 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello,

aside from my comments below I fully agree to both of your mails.

On 21.09.2011 14:33, Gergely Nagy wrote:
 but I am a bit unhappy about having comment possibilities on both
 mentors.d.n and the mailing list with information not forwarded.
 
 Whatever happens, the end result should be that comments would be
 visible on all commonly used places: on this list, and on mentors.d.n
 (possibly including the BTS, my personal preference).

that's pretty much the reason why I am picky to get people to comment in
this thread. I am aware of this problem and I am exploring possibilities
to solve it.
On whatever solution we may agree (or not), Debexpo will need to follow.
That said, I don't want to find a solution in Debexpo the mailing list
has to follow, but the other way around.

I am not sure what the original intention of the author regarding the
comment function was - I didn't implement it. Its clear its not really
usable as is.

On the other hand I know from several people they like the web comment
function, opposing us old, grumpy MUA die-hards and consider it a
worthwhile addition.

Hence my idea was and is to merge the web review part of Expo with our
current or future review solution. So, people using either solution
would be aware of comments from the other world.

  - Comments are sent to the BTS. Tags are used as follows:
- moreinfo: Open questions or changes are required before an upload.
- confirmed: Somebody did review the package and thinks it is okay.
  (Not needed when the package is directly uploaded.)
- pending (closing the bug): Somebody will (did) upload the package
  (no further changes required).
 
 I like this.

We would probably need in addition:

- - wontfix: Somebody claims the package is not distributable by Debian
and/or does not belong to Debian. The last point is hard to judge, but
developers should be brave enough to use it by making clear its a vote
on the package, not a personal level. If a developer disagrees he can
still retag and taking over ownership of the bug.

This is to not have many bugs more or less forever in the BTS being
tagged moreinfo. A wontfix bug would be closed automatically after a
while, say 8 weeks or so.


  - mentors.d.n automatically closes RFS bugs for uploaded packages or
packages that were removed from there.  It may also automatically
close inactive bugs.

 Apart from closing inactive bugs automatically, I believe this is a good
 idea.
 [..]
 
 I think it's worth having that RFS bug still open, and pinging it once
 in a while only adds noise. Closing it, and opening a new one (or
 reopening the same) would only be noise, in my opinion.


As Ansgar says (in his next reply) we should avoid carrying old cruft
forever with us. The inactivity period may be very long, though. I
wouldn't close it based on the date it was filed, but based on the last
activity. That would be conform to your idea I think.

 sponsoring process involves fixing a few issues, the bug can even be
 closed with the changelog).

Quoting myself from IRC for a wider audience: That's semantically wrong,
as its not the maintainer, but the sponsor to fix the bug. It should be
closed by mentors.d.n or/and and by an explicit -done from the sponsor.

 Instead of mentors.d.n automatically doing the mail (which would be a
 dumbed-down web interface to the BTS), it would in my opinion, be better
 if it had the appropriate mailto: links instead, and provide a read-only
 interface to the comments only.

While I personally wouldn't mind, I know people who disagree here. I
tried to honor their opinion a bit above.

 Being subscribed to both -bugs-dist and -devel-changes among other high
 volume lists, I wouldn't mind the extra noise to be honest. Probably
 wouldn't even notice the difference in volume.
 

Frankly, I don't see anything wrong even if we would draw attraction to
sponsor requests by that way as a side effect. Mentoring needs more
attraction among developers.

I truly doubt the amount of sponsor requests is /that/ notable, though.
Its about two fresh requests per day (citation needed).

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mentors.debian.net moved to new hardware

2011-09-21 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello everyone,

our (not so) old host running http://mentors.debian.net was replaced
right before by shiny new hardware. For you, as user you shouldn't
hopefully notice the switch. The new hardware is much more powerful and
has plenty of disk space. Hence all problems with exhausted disk space
and time-outing servers should not occur anymore.

If you find any problem with the new setup, please let us know. Please
note, in particular the DNS update is pending and not complete yet.
However we set-up a proxy routing your uploads to the new server.

HTTP uploads work as before, as do FTP uploads, except that FTP uploads
are processed in a more timely manner now. Also we improved security of
the anonymous FTP[sic!]. For you, this means you can't overwrite
anonymous uploads anymore until they have been processed by mentors and
have been moved out from the incoming directory.

Hardware and bandwidth is generously donated by Wavecon GmbH
www.wavecon.de.

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Re: RFS: sigit

2011-09-18 Thread Arno Töll
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On 18.09.2011 00:46, Jakub Wilk wrote:
 I can't download your source package:

I (on behalf of the Debexpo team) am to blame here. At least partially.
Rasmus did not upload the full source (please always use -sa for
dpkg-buildpackage when uploading -1+ uploads to Mentors). We used to
reject such uploads, but due to a bug in our plugin infrastructure we
accepted the package nonetheless, as we could find the orig.tar.gz on
Debian mirrors.

However we failed to glue all together correctly. This is fixed in [1]
and will be deployed next week (I think), together with some more fixes.

[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debexpo/debexpo.git;a=commit;h=a6057e92165ba8869a44223eff444dbf34ed0040
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Re: How to startx inside a pbuilder-managed chroot?

2011-09-17 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

On 18.09.2011 00:24, Paul Wise wrote:
 Apparently Xen does support that for GPUs though.

yes it does, but don't expect too much from it. Passing through video
cards is a complicated, error-prone operation. For some video cards
(notably Nvidia's) this is known not to work at all in some cases. If I
didn't scare you off yet, have a look to [1] and [2].

Finally please note, passing through a PCI devices implies to hide it
from your host system. This means, you have /no/ video card output at
all from your host system, unless you have a spare video card. This
turns your testing system into a headless one.

[1] http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenPCIpassthrough
[2] http://wiki.xen.org/xenwiki/XenVGAPassthrough
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Re: Rejected experimental package (was Re: RFS: roxterm (updated package))

2011-09-15 Thread Arno Töll
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 This is certainly a bug. You can file bugs against the debexpo project
 on Alioth:

No need to do. I already fixed that a few days ago [1]. However I didn't
merge our master branch to live (i.e. the deployment branch) yet.


[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debexpo/debexpo.git;a=commitdiff;h=4347537533b2e917542369df48ff8bc0989589d3
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Re: RFS: instead-game-cat

2011-09-13 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Sam,
On 13.09.2011 10:20, Sam Protsenko wrote:
 I am looking for a sponsor for my package instead-game-cat.

Would you be interested to join the games team [1] for both of your
requests? I believe there you could find some people interested in your
package with uploading capabilities.

As a start I'd ask you to send your requests to their mailing list [2]

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Team
[2] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-games

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Re: Report from the debconf11 sponsoring/mentors BoF.

2011-09-12 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Serafeim,

(keeping your CCs:)

On 11.09.2011 23:56, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote:
 I understand that there's two sides in this effort: debexpo plugins that
 produce additional info about certain package features, and a repository of
 sponsors' interests/preferences/requirements. Do I understand correctly that
 you implement both things within debexpo? Are DDs expected to enter their
 preferences via the debexpo web ui?

Yes. Debexpo runs certain plugins on incoming packages. Among those
several QA plugins, which for example run Lintian, or check bugs being
closed by the upload. Have a look to any given package on mentors.d.n to
get the idea.

On the other hand there are concepts and ideas to extend the mentors
platform by social network functionalities to bring together packages
with sponsors. Aside of the mentioned metrics, I am referring in
particular to Lucas' idea here [1][2]. As far as I know there are
currently no concrete plans to work on that though.

Regarding the sponsor metrics: Yes, I do expect Debian developer to file
their preferences via Debexpo web UI.

The third key concept of the mentoring process is the package review
itself. That's the part which is currently done by email on the
debian-mentors mailing list. As we mentioned in the report you are all
invited to join the current discussion going on there, how to improve
the situation by moving the discussion part to the BTS (or not).

 My idea instead was to maintain DDs' preferences via an ikiwiki instance
 (using something structured like yaml), and make the wiki data accessible to
 debexpo via a REST interface. At the end of the day, it's up to whoever will
 do the work, but it's wise to remember that geeks prefer their favourite text
 editor than a web browser.

I am not particularly thrilled by that idea. If you want to implement
that, feel free to do, but I don't see any real benefit here. Really, I
think I don't expect too much from a Debian Developer if I want him/her
to register once in Expo and fill out a form if there is some general
interest to sponsor packages. That's about two minutes of work if you
have no free text to add.

Also you should take into account, that human editable semi-structured
data is error prone and lacks validation.

 Anyhow, thanks for stepping up, and whatever your approach, please share any
 code you have with Janos and see whether/how you could work together.

Its all in our Git repository [3]. As usual I appreciate any
contribution and we certainly need more help and good ideas.

[1]
https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=313252group_id=100127atid=413115
[2]
https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=313253group_id=100127atid=413115
[3] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debexpo/debexpo.git

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Re: RFS: dfu-programmer

2011-09-12 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Rodolphe,
(CC: the WNPP bug and the involved people)

On 12.09.2011 17:09, Rodolphe Pelloux-Prayer wrote:
 I am looking for a sponsor for my package dfu-programmer.
 
 As I forgot to send my ITA after the current maintainer orphaned the
 package, Uwe Hermann has sent his ITA (#637949). I've see with him and he's 
 agree to
 let me maintain dfu-programmer. Should I sent a new ITA before or the
 bug will be closed with the upload ?

Please don't file any duplicates. If Uwe is indeed ok to let you taking
over the WNPP bug, please set yourself as owner and go on. Your package
should close the WNPP bug upon upload.

Besides I'm curious to know what you changed since
1312498880.27663.18.camel@chicard, since you file a new request to
sponsor your package.

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Re: RFS: dfu-programmer

2011-09-12 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Rodolphe,

On 12.09.2011 18:13, Rodolphe Pelloux-Prayer wrote:
 I've just changed Vcs-* from alioth to gitorious (as I didn't receive
 any response from collab-maint admin yet).

one of the less cool features of Alioth is, you won't get any
confirmation mail once someone approved (or rejected) your request to
join a project.

I don't know your user name, but check whether you are listed as
developer for collab-maint in
https://alioth.debian.org/users/yourusername-guest/. If not, please poke
its admins again.

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Re: problem with dput debexpo packet upload

2011-09-11 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Ansgar,

On 10.09.2011 19:22, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
 That sounds like a bug in debexpo concerning native packages.
 
 As your package likely should not be native anyway, you can work around
 it by making it non-native.

yes you are right. Native packages produced a false positive reject,
while checking the upload for a orig.tar.gz. As native packages don't
have a orig.tar.gz they erroneously triggered that error.

Debexpo should not reject native packages, although there is very likely
no reason why anyone would like to upload such a package to mentors.
Hence I fixed that problem and I will deploy it live soon.

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Re: Can't upload .udeb portion of NMU package

2011-09-08 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Tim,

On 08.09.2011 18:22, Tim Gokcen wrote:
 I'm trying to do an NMU of package mdadm, but my upload is failing on
 one of the files, mdadm-udeb_3.1.4-1+8efb9d1.1_amd64.udeb; I get a 403
 Forbidden response. 

Sorry about that. The author of the upload class didn't think about
udebs when implementing the stuff. I fixed it in our trunk [1].

Please note, the change is not live yet and will let you know once we
deployed that change.

[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debexpo/debexpo.git;a=commit;h=7225b6b0180128ce8d0852098085046240c5b27c
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Re: Can't upload .udeb portion of NMU package

2011-09-08 Thread Arno Töll
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On 08.09.2011 19:08, Arno Töll wrote:
 Please note, the change is not live yet and will let you know once we
 deployed that change.
... but it is now.

Note I had no source package with udeb ready. Let me know if it works.
If you are still facing problems, please send me your source package
directly.

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Re: Tracking RFSs as bugs

2011-09-07 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Paul,

On 06.09.2011 16:49, Paul Wise wrote:
 I'm concerned that this might turn out about as useful as filing an
 RFP bug against wnpp; not very useful at all.
 

I am not sure, a mailing list is better suited. I was not thrilled to
use the BTS when I heard about that idea first, but the more I think
about, the more attractive it gets.

To be honest, the current procedure does not work very well either. Some
RFS mails are lost in space due to the high volume of requests. The same
happens for some comments when the maintainer files a new RFS thread
instead of replying to existing reviews and so on. Finally, nobody knows
simple things as how many packages are out there which are seeking an
uploader, or what's the status of a particular RFS, without digging
mailing list archives.

By using the BTS all those features come for free:

* We can merge, retitle, reassign bugs.

* We can tag and categorize bugs (pending, reviewed, ...)

* We can easily see which packages are awaiting a sponsor (ok, that
could be seen on Debexpo as well - but I don't think the Needs a
sponsor flag ever helped to find one.)

* You can finally close bugs with wontfix i.e. wontupload instead of
politely hoping the requester goes away.

* We can track the entire history of an upload easily at one sight. Just
open the bug.

* Its easy to tell Debexpo about the status of a package - it can just
use SOAP to query the BTS, instead of guessing/parsing mails from
mentors and devel-changes ...

* No more broken/incomplete RFS mails anymore (reportbug could take
care, or even Debexpo could be filing the bug)

* Its convenient and controllable through a handy mail interface to sponsors

* Having the debian-mentors mailing list as pseudo package owner still
discloses every RFS mail to the public easily.


I can live to keep things as is, but please let's decide NOW, BEFORE I
spent a lot of time for writing interfaces in Debexpo to either solution.


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Re: adopting a package

2011-09-07 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Shaun,

thanks for your interest to help Debian.

On 07.09.2011 12:37, Shaun Silk wrote:
 Do I have to find a sponsor for this package? How do I proceed?

Yes, you need a sponsor. Please read [1][2] to get the idea. You may
also find the New Maintainer's Guide helpful [3].

[1] http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
[2] http://wiki.debian.org/SponsoredMaintainer
[3] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/


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Re: Tracking RFSs as bugs

2011-09-05 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello everyone,
as I see this discussion going on, I think I should inform you about
some things going on on mentors.d.n right now:

* Asheesh and we are steadily improving features on Debexpo (the
software behind mentors.d.n). Its not finished yet, and misses some
features we would like to add.

* I was thinking to implement a debian-mentors - Debexpo bridge to
import comments made on the mailing list to Expo. There are some stub
functions available, if you are interested have a look to our devel
branch [1]. This is something to come in future. Basically I will grab
RFS comments made on the mailing list, and import them to the package
history on Debexpo. More advanced plans include to keep track of the
entire package history. If someone else is willing to assist me here:
any help is appreciated. That would not change the workflow for MUA fans
out there.

* As a result on the dc11 sponsorship BoF, I think, one of the most
useful additions to Expo would be sponsor metrics [2]. I prepared a
newsletter together with David Bremner which is in the pipeline and we
will probably send it out very soon, as I get my stuff on Expo regarding
that done.

* Lucas Nussbaum made a very interesting proposal to make a social
peer-to-peer review platform out of Debexpo. Basically his idea was to
have some karma / teams. Have a look to [3][4] get the idea.

* Debexpo did not lose packages being uploaded to the old Mentors
infrastructure before we switched. For technical reasons we don't have
the precise upload date and/or package description available. So I gave
those uploads a random legacy upload date. Besides they are fully
functional.

* We need more contributors to Debexpo. We have a lot of (wishlist)
bugs. Let me hear if anyone is interested to step in.


On 05.09.2011 23:09, Michael Tautschnig wrote:
 Could you please be more precise about that last bit? What exactly is hard 
 about
 becoming DM?

The fact, you won't find sponsors easily which makes it pretty hard to
find someone who advocates you. Here is more to come on the newsletter I
announced above.




[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debexpo/debexpo.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/devel
[2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsNet#Metrics
[3]
https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=313252group_id=100127atid=413115
[4]
https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=313253group_id=100127atid=413115
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Re: Cavalry

2011-08-31 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Misha,

On 31.08.2011 13:06, Misha Strong wrote:
 OK, I'll try get the src together.

- From your ITP:
* Package name: cavalry
  Version : 1.15.0
...
* License : GPL

That's not an optional step. Presuming you give out binary copies of
your program licensed under the terms of the General Public License,
everyone must be allowed to access your source code.

However, as far as my knowledge goes, nobody saw a binary code copy
either. Hence you are technically not violating the GPL (yet).

Please note, for Debian the source availability is a crucial requirement
[1], unless you target our non-free repository which is not part of
Debian, technically speaking.

[1] http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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Re: mentors.dn package removal request

2011-08-28 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Gregely,
On 28.08.2011 22:13, Gergely Nagy wrote:
 Someone, somewhen uploaded a dpatch 2.0.31-1[1] package to mentors.d.n,
 before it became debexpo. That version is well.. lets just say,
 obsolete. 

in hope nobody will miss the package on Mentors, I removed it there.

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Re: ITP: i-news (2nd request) -- GTK-based highly graphically-configurable RSS Ticker - Bug#638999

2011-08-25 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Emmanuel,

On 26.08.2011 00:05, Emmanuel Thomas-Maurin wrote:
 Thanks. As I have to decide now, please let me know if I must change the
 package name or not? Sorry, I know this is redundant but I need a final
 answer.

You must not, but you can think about it. If you want to increase your
chance to get your package into Debian you, can - perhaps - consider it.
If you think the name is fine, keep it - but make sure you don't install
/usr/bin/inews at least.

You have been pointed to the problem of (too) generic names and possible
name clashes. Value yourself :)

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Re: unable to upload

2011-08-24 Thread Arno Töll
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On 24.08.2011 12:12, Gabriele wrote:
 Ok then. But this the first packaging for pygtkplot, and if I use 0.1-1 as a
 version in changelog, lintian keep saying that no bug has been closed with
 this new revision. So how can I create a non-native package for the first
 time that doesn't need to close a bug?

That's because you should close a WNPP bug for the first upload. This
does not imply you should invent a bug or closing a bug which does not
belong to your package. Read about WNPP bugs [1][2]  - which you are
supposed to file and successively close.

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/WNPP
[2] http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
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Re: unable to upload

2011-08-23 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Gabriele,

On 23.08.2011 22:42, Gabriele wrote:
 I'm trying to upload a package but every time i dput it I get no
 notifications. File transfers are reported to be successful.

It might be helpful to tell us what you are trying to do. We have no
clue. What are you uploading where? What makes you think, the upload
would not be successful in particular?

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Re: unable to upload

2011-08-23 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Michael Ole,

On 23.08.2011 23:19, Michael Ole Olsen wrote:
 the package first shows up on mentors page after 2-5 minutes or so, and it
 might never show up if your package has lots of errors I think(read the faq).

No, mentors accepts every package which meets certain minimal
requirements (e.g. it is a source package, it is complete, checksums are
correct, ...). That's not true for the Debian ftpmaster which runs
Lintian and has a list of so called auto-rejects [1]

[1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/static/lintian.tags
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Re: unable to upload

2011-08-23 Thread Arno Töll
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On 24.08.2011 00:32, Gabriele wrote:
 Successfully uploaded packages.

... but:

20:40:31,102 ERROR [debexpo.plugins.closedbugs] Bug #12345 does not exist

I agree you shouldn't crash your Debepo import by specifying an invalid
bug :)

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Re: unable to upload

2011-08-23 Thread Arno Töll
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On 24.08.2011 01:05, Arno Töll wrote:
 I agree you shouldn't crash your Debepo import by specifying an invalid bug :)
   ^^^

Fixed but not yet pushed a bug fix for that problem.

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DEP-5 requirements (was: Re: RFS: pygtkplot)

2011-08-22 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Guido,

On 22.08.2011 06:15, Guido van Steen wrote:
 To be honest, I had never heard of a DEP-5 requirement. Therefore,
 my package does not contain debian/copyright file using DEP-5 either.

just in case it was still unclear, despite of Vincent's reply:
debian/copyright is mandatory [1], its format not. Technically you are
allowed to formulate the file as you want, as long as it is there and
has all information needed [2][3].

DEP-5 is a draft for now, but may end up as a official policy at some
point. As Vincent says, it is widely used for all newly introduced
packages and mandatory for some sponsors.

[1] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgcopyright
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg7.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00023.html
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Re: RFS: dylandotnet

2011-08-22 Thread Arno Töll
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On 22.08.2011 12:24, Jakub Wilk wrote:
 I suspect that this is a mentors.debian.net bug. :/

Right, but that's only half of the story. Dylan did not upload any
orig.tar.gz, so Mentors tried to fetch it from the Debian repository
(which is a more or less useless hack I think), but failed as well. For
some reasons the HTTP response code reply was hence threatened as Tarball.

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Re: DEP-5 requirements

2011-08-22 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Charles,

On 22.08.2011 15:12, Charles Plessy wrote:
 DEP 5 will be distributed in the debian-policy package (see #609160), but 
 there
 is not plan of making it part of the Policy, in the sense of being mandatory 
 or
 strongly recommended.  

I didn't imply any must/required constraints as per policy
definition. I intended the may in my sentence as normatively defined
in the policy.
Yet I am curious, whether you know about concrete plans to integrate
DEP-5 into the policy. I don't mean the wording itself, where I am fine
to have it referenced in the policy only, but about the normative meanings.

Your explanation implies, it won't be must or should, so I can
conclude may or no reference at all?

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Re: RFS: dylandotnet

2011-08-22 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Paul, and Dylan,

On 22.08.2011 16:11, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
 Is it's debian version greater then 1? If it is, it will use -1's
 orig.tar.gz, so you don't have to keep uploading it, since the upstream 
 version is the
 same.

yes, that's the problem. Dylan is trying to upload an increased Debian
revision (last upload was a -4). dpkg-genchanges does not include the
orig.tar.gz in such cases unless you explicitly force dpkg-buildpackage
to do so (give it -sa).

Maybe we should refuse such uploads as the old mentors did as well.

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Re: RFS: news (News - RSS Ticker)

2011-08-20 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

On 20.08.2011 11:05, Emmanuel Thomas-Maurin wrote:
 Thank you. I've been looking for a not-too-long, easy-to-remember name
 for binary/command, so (it may be a silly question) can package name and
 binary name be different - package name: 'news-rss-ticker' and
 binary/command: 'news'?

yes, that's certainly possible, although we as distributor tend to
refrain from such changes and let upstream decide how to call their
programs. As you are upstream yourself, you might be able just to rename it.

The problem with /usr/bin/news is its generic name in a globally shared
name space. In fact there is a already /usr/bin/news in the package
sysnews making yours providing it as well a policy violation. Please see
Debian policy § 10.1 [1] in general and examples like [2][3] for a
little more background.



[1] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-binaries
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/02/msg1.html
[3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611698

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Re: RFS: dfu-programmer

2011-08-18 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Rodolphe,
On 18.08.2011 14:11, Rodolphe Pelloux-Prayer wrote:
 So the new upload is not a NMU anymore and it could be my first official 
 package :)

Here are a few comments about your package:

* Please consider using a more recent debhelper compatibility level.
Version 5 is quite outdated (although still okish). Generally I suggest
to bump debian/compat to 8 and depend in debian/control on a 8.0
version. That works down to Lenny with backports, although your package
probably won't ever enter Stable or even Oldstable anyway.

* You use a VCS not hosted by Debian. That's ok and legit, but Alioth is
nice too, and eases life to other people, potentially interested to help
you with the package. Regardless of the repository you choose, the
VCS-Browser link should point to the trunk of your repository, not to
the project home page [1]

* If I understand the purpose of your program, the section devel is not
really appropriate - maybe electronics [2] fits better.

* Upstream's NEWS file you install as doc, is in fact a changelog. For
archive-wide consistency you might consider installing it as upstream
changelog through dh_installchangelogs(1). Figure, that would also make
Lintian pedantically happy!

* Please remove unneeded comments in debian/rules. Those are for your
information, and not intended to be kept.

Good work, your package looks good. As you might have noticed, my
comments are minor pedantic notes.

[1]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs
[2] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/electronics/

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Re: News about the mentors.debian.net transition to upgraded software

2011-08-18 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Stanislav,

On 18.08.2011 15:57, Stanislav Maslovski wrote:
 For some reason, the report of uscan is shown as a Warning:,
 however, there is actually nothing to be warned about in it: it just
 says that the package is found on upstream's website and is up to
 date. I think, in this case the Info: tag should be more
 appropriate.

I fixed that. Actually the problem was, that the watch-file plugin
checked the wrong exit status and thought uscan failed. The new
(correct) behavior is, not to display uscan output at all, unless there
was a problem with it.

Thanks for pointing out.

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Re: News about the mentors.debian.net transition to upgraded software

2011-08-18 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

On 18.08.2011 18:26, Stanislav Maslovski wrote:
 While you are at it: can you also make clickable the URL of the
 project homepage that appears in this field (my package just used as
 an example):
 
 Info:Homepage: https://github.com/qnikst/kbdd
 
 Currently, it is shown as simple text (not a link).

at some point, yes. But for now, the QA plugin outcome is just a
not-normalized blob, making it non trivial to put a htmlified view
around. That is legacy a design issue we need to fix at some point,
making the QA output more ... err ... readable.


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Re: In a single binary source package how does one fail to install some files?

2011-08-17 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

On 17.08.2011 05:52, Vincent Cheng wrote:
 override_dh_install:
   find . -name *.la -delete
   dh_install

a single binary package most likely installs a single .la file only, so
a recursive search seems unneeded. That said a simple rm
path/to/libfoo.la will do it.

By the way, dh_install also has a -X option ...

   -Xitem, --exclude=item
   Exclude files that contain item anywhere in their filename
from being installed.

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Re: Updating files list on packages.debian.org

2011-08-17 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Mochael,

On 17.08.2011 08:47, Michael Wild wrote:
 Will it be automatically generated sometime in
 the near future, or do I have to do something to get it there?

no, you don't need to do anything but wait. However you are not the only
one with that problem, it seems that for none of the non-free/contrib
packages a file list is available (#451755 reloaded?)


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Re: News about the mentors.debian.net transition to upgraded software

2011-08-14 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

On 13.08.2011 18:16, Stanislav Maslovski wrote:
 ... still points to old package!
 Seems like the transition to the new system was done in a hurry...

One could argue, this is by design. It is not supported to re-upload a
new package with the same Debian version to official archives either.

I agree this is helpful for mentors and this function might be supported
(again). However please keep in mind the migration was not in a hurry
but due since years. Debexpo was due to 2008 already, but Asheesh
finally brought it in shape to be able to replace the deprecated /
hardly maintainable mentors service.

We all finally wanted to deploy it, as Debexpo seemed to be a never
ending story for a long time.
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Re: News about the mentors.debian.net transition to upgraded software

2011-08-14 Thread Arno Töll
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On 14.08.2011 13:37, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
 That seems like a very bad design decision for a site dedicate to the
 iterative process of review then. 

I sort of agree, although I wasn't involved at all in this part of Expo.
We certainly accept patches fixing this behavior. However so far nobody
had time or cared enough to address this problem.

In fact, until very recently we had no support to upload the same source
package several times at all, so the status quo is already an
improvement. As far as I can tell, there are the following problems with
(multiple) uploads of the source package

* Name spaces collide when different person upload the same source
package (e.g. bpo packages versus regular sponsor uploads)
* It is not possible to overwrite the same source package (may collide
with the problem told before)
* Uploads of the same source package don't push the upload date (e.g.
relevant for the package list) and can't be individually flagged / deleted.

Volunteers?

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Re: News about the mentors.debian.net transition to upgraded software

2011-08-14 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Stanislav,
On 14.08.2011 15:18, Stanislav Maslovski wrote:
 But *you* provided the function in the web interface to delete the
 uploaded package. 

FTR: I didn't.


 You shold have asked for external testing and help *BEFORE* switching
 mentors.debian.net to the new system.

It wasn't me who scheduled the switch and I didn't do it. People called
for help since years. Its not Expo came out of the dust in the last two
weeks. Expo is around since 2008, seeking desperately for someone to
help and to finish it finally.

The truth is, nobody cared, except a hand full of people putting some
stuff in shape every once in a while since then.

For the migration itself, I did assist a bit and I still think it was
the right moment to do. Expo is in a rather good shape now, it works for
(almost?) all features as Mentors replacement and it opens possibilities
for interested developers to extend it by a lot of other useful
additions in future. Its not complete, and it has some bugs, but I
oppose your opinion it would not be ready.



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Re: RFS: mactelnet

2011-08-11 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Håkon,

On 11.08.2011 01:27, Håkon Nessjøen wrote:
 is a git log  Changelog good enough?

Depends how verbose you are in your changelogs and if the reader can
denote the package _version_ from your git logs.

For what its worth, it is to note, an upstream changelog is certainly no
requirement to get your package into Debian.

 In debian/rules, you can remove the commented Vcs-*

 
 Thought about adding the collab-maint alioth vcs here. Someone tipsed me
 that I should add the debian changes to a public vcs.
 Is this a bad idea?

No. Thats absolutely right. However you should point to such a VCS only,
if you are actually using it.
This has not to be Alioth by the way[*], if you are using your own
repository for Debian packaging that's fine as well.
Please note, you should /NOT/ put the debian/ directory into your
release tarballs. Hence you should use another branch for your debian
packaging. Consequently your VCS-* links should point to the repository
where your Debian packaging is done.

 Any tips on how I would work this out without changing it upstream?

You can override an appropriate dh call and replace it by something
completely custom, semantically equivalent. That's helpful if you can't
get dh_installdocs to do the right thing, and its only purpose is your
README file. For example, you could do:

override_dh_installdocs:
install README.markdown debian/{package}/usr/share/doc/{package}/README

If your README file applies to every package you build, repeat the
procedure for each package. Alternative ways exist, maybe even simpler
approaches.


 Thanks again for all your tips!

I'm really happy you gave not up yet. I'd really like to see your
package in Debian.

[*] Some sponsors may disagree and have their own guidelines.

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Re: Dependency problem

2011-08-11 Thread Arno Töll
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On 11.08.2011 19:04, Torquil Macdonald Sørensen wrote:
 I wish I could do something as simple as
 Depends:
 
 python-wxgtk2.8 | (python-qt4, python-qt4-gl) | python-fltk |
 (python-gtk2, gtkglext1)

I'm pretty sure someone suggested such a syntax already once.

 Perhaps I'll just force the user to install the WX frontend, and list
 the all others as suggested packages...

Don't do that. Its wrong in several ways. Suggests does not declare
alternatives but enhance functionality (policy § 7.2). In your case its
a dependency, even if satisfied by another package. Given that, you
don't enhance anything by installing your suggested packages.

Moreover you possibly force your users to install a hard dependency even
though it would be perfectly valid to have only one of the suggested
alternatives installed.

Use jwilk's suggestion, being ugly or not its the correct one.

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Re: RFS: airoscript-ng

2011-08-06 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

On 06.08.2011 22:54, David Francos Cuartero wrote:
 airoscript-ng - aircrack-ng user interface

are you aware of #588588 and #605519? That's something which needs to be
addressed before considering an upload bringing a new dependency to
aircrack-ng.

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Re: RFS: ndpmon

2011-08-04 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi John,

On 04.08.2011 17:08, John R. Baskwill wrote:
 Thanks very much for your reply.  This is my first attempt at getting
 sponsored.  The first upload was OK, but based on the reply I received from
 mentors.debian.net, I changed the clean target and uploaded a revised
 package.  Should I have kept it at 1.4.0-1 in that case?

different people have different opinions here, but basically yes. It is
common practice to reflect version number changes only for uploads
targetting for Debian directly (in fact, this is a requirement there,
its not possible to overwrite packages).

For mentors.d.n you can pretty much do what you want, including
overwriting the same package again. Please note, an upload to
mentors.d.n does /not/ mean, your package has been uploaded to Debian's
official repositories. That's is just a public platform for peer reviews
and sponsor searching.

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Re: how to get people to run lintian on their packages

2011-08-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Paul,

On 02.08.2011 23:34, Paul Wise wrote:
 Which version of lintian does it use? It would be nice if it were
 pinned to sid or backports. I guess it doesn't process the binary
 packages?

Currently it uses 2.5.1 from Sid. Asheesh installed that recently after
I was complaining (thanks again!). :)

For your other question: Expo runs Lintian on the changes file which
might include binaries. Those are thrown away after processing, but for
the checks, they are still available. You can see the full Lintian
output for example here [1].

[1] http://expo.debian.net/package/trafficserver
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Re: RFS: lebiniou, lebiniou-data (3rd try) (new upstream version)

2011-07-30 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Oliver,

On 30.07.2011 21:20, Olivier Girondel wrote:
 2. OSS as default audio driver upstream (and thus Debian patch)
 
 lebiniou also builds on FreeBSD and NetBSD, and for these systems only
 OSS is available
 

That's perfectly fine, but please note Debian also supports kFreeBSD
which builds a GNU user land around the FreeBSD kernel. Your patch
effectively breaks such systems, as there is no Alsa available as you
said yourself. Nonetheless I agree with you, that defaulting to ALSA is
a good idea for Linux.

Is there some conditional to override this compiled in choice upon build
time? If so, you might consider making use of it, to make your package
build on kFreeBSD with different defaults than Linux.

For autotools based build systems, you could make use of
dpkg-architecture plus conditional branching around it and pass host
architecture dependent flags to its configure script.

Alternatively you could do the same branching based on compiler
preprocessor flags.

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Re: Please try expo.debian.net -- a replacement for mentors.debian.net

2011-07-27 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Pietro,

On 27.07.2011 09:12, Pietro Battiston wrote:
 in fact there is no hope that we are going to have something like
 Ubuntu's PPAs for Debian?
 Is this because of a political choice, or technical mess of doing
 builds?

this was heavily discussed in the kicking of Wheezy flame^W^Wthread.
For example see [1][2] for (some) relevant sub threads. Quintessence, in
my opinion, was that there should be something like an Ubuntu PPA for
Debian, but with a slightly different focus and purpose. That is, from
developers only for specific tasks. For example to supersede the current
practice of developers to upload their packages non targeted to the main
branches everywhere but not really transparent for their users.

That said, the realization mostly suffers from the fact, there is no
software available to do this on the software side, as Launchpad is not
free software, and usable alternatives don't exist.


[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/05/threads.html#00029
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/05/msg00121.html
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Re: Please try expo.debian.net -- a replacement for mentors.debian.net

2011-07-26 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Kilian,

On 26.07.2011 22:25, Kilian Krause wrote:
 I'm not entirely sure if we want to run get-orig-source targets to rebuild
 ~dfsg tarballs and compare them. 

I don't think, you really want to consider to run /anything/ which has
been supplied by a completely untrusted sponsoree. Being it a full or
partial or just a get-orig-source target run. This is an immediate risk
for the infrastructure, being it well protected or not for little benefit.


(just my 2c)
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Re: RFS: Jampal (2nd try)

2011-07-23 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Peter,

On 23.07.2011 18:30, Peter Bennett wrote:
 Does this make you my sponsor? Should I update my package on Debian
 mentors to say I have found a sponsor?

It does, yes. You should not need to remove the package on mentors.d.n
as those should disappear automagically. However this was a known
problem recently which should be fixed by now [1].


[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/07/msg00486.html

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Re: RFS: Jampal (2nd try)

2011-07-23 Thread Arno Töll
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On 23.07.2011 18:53, Arno Töll wrote:
 It does, yes. You should not need to remove the package on mentors.d.n
 as those should disappear automagically. 

Another note: Your package is currently in NEW [1]. Until it is accepted
it won't appear in unstable. This might not take too long these days, as
Tolimar seems very motivated :

While it is there, mentors.d.n won't notice it was uploaded.


[1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html

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Re: RFS: phing (Another try...)

2011-07-21 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Nicolas,

IANADD (twb told me, I shall be lazy!), here are some comments on your
package:

 On 21.07.2011 09:13, Nicolas wrote:
 I am looking for a sponsor for my package phing.

* Please extend description of the -doc package. Its a bit too short.
You don't need to be too verbose, but please expand it by a few words.
For example you could tell what exactly the package contains and what
its purpose is. Compare with other -doc packages in Debian to get an idea

* Your copyright looks pretty good, however Copyright: 2001,2002
THYRELL is probably a bit to few of information. Maybe add a contact
address, I noticed in the code is listed one. Same for 2003,
seasonfive. Yes, this is pure pedantry - feel free to ignore this.

* There is a new upstream release. Please consider packaging it.
Besides, the checksums of your orig.tar.gz don't not match with
upstream's package, being it the full package or the PEAR one. Please
don't touch it.

$ sha1sum phing-2.4.5.tgz.1
bf4c5e709c9141555c299e02aab8ac80cddd2cf7  phing-2.4.5.tgz.1 (this is PEAR)
$ sha1sum phing-2.4.5.tgz
f3e2eb295317b79a9e4223c193430a2896883967  phing-2.4.5.tgz
$ sha1sum phing_2.4.5.orig.tar.gz
367c6a92bee3d3c73c6b36c9afa35a122c1eb11c  phing_2.4.5.orig.tar.gz

* What's /usr/share/php/phing/etc for? Those files don't look like
something which should be put in a etc-directory. I'm fine if you keep
it that way in /usr/share/php/phing/etc, I'm just trying to find out,
whether those files are meant to be touched at all. If so, they
shouldn't reside in /usr.

* In debian/rules, please remove unneeded comments dh-make produced.

* Please generate your manpage during build. It seems to me, you ship it
pre-compiled from the SGML man page you wrote.

* Similar case for the API docs you package straight from the tarball.
The DFSG mandate that a software package is available from source and
its processing must be self-containing (e.g. compare with the preferred
form for modification from the GPL license). For the generated API docs
this means, there must be a way to regenerate those docs by means the
main archive provides. You don't necessarily need to do this when
producing the binary package, but please add at least a README.source
file, where you document how to regenerate those API docs, upstream
ships, if desired.

* Your upstream tarball contains regression tests. Consider running them
during build.

Good work. Those are almost all cosmetic changes.


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Re: Debian Uploader

2011-07-21 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Rodolfo,

On 22.07.2011 00:30, Rodolfo kix Garcia wrote:
 I have a question about debian uploader. I am DU for one package, but
 when I upload it to the ftp-master the package is deleted (after some
 time). I suppose is because my pgp  key is not in the debian keyring (it
 is in mentors), but I am not sure.

By uploader you mean, you are a sponsored maintainer? If so, you can't
upload. You rely on your sponsor to upload packages, whether you are
listed in there or not.

This is by design. To actually upload packages to Debian, you must be a
Debian developer or a Debian Maintainer. The latter have restricted
upload capabilities. Please read [1] for further explanations. Also ask
your sponsor whether he's willing to advocate you (and set the DMUA [2]
flag successively)


[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer
[2]
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-DM-Upload-Allowed

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Re: Looking for mentor to package dolibarr erp/crm - ITP 634783

2011-07-20 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Laurent,

On 20.07.2011 23:05, Laurent Destailleur (eldy) wrote:
 The package can be found on URL:
 http://www.dolibarr.org/files/dolibarr-3.1.0-dev.deb

and

 Because Dolibarr is a PHP application, binary package is also source
 package (no compiled binaries inside).

I'm afraid, but this is not true. For sponsoring, a source package is
required, not a binary (.deb) package, being architecture independent or
not. So please, re-upload your source package if you want to have it
reviewed.

However, before you do, please fix problems with it.

 Lintian tests report no errors.

Please run
lintian --pedantic -E -I dolibarr-3.1.0-dev.deb
(or even better on your *.changes file)

and come back if you reduced Lintian warnings to something in a more
sane magnitude.

Moreover please read again the maintainer guide and the policy. You are
massively abusing most^W^Wsome standards, including but not limited to
package relationships, embedded code copies, purpose of maintainer
scripts, source code distributions and a massively too shallow copyright
file.

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Re: RFS: Sponsor needed for pmwiki

2011-07-18 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

without having looked into the reviewed package, just one further note:

On 18.07.2011 12:52, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 * In your debian/postinst script, you are making the assumption that
 there's already apache installed, and a group www-data that is created.
 That might well not be the case, considering your dependencies. So, I
 would suggest to either:
 - check, using getent, if the www-data user/group already exist, and
 eventually create that system user (if you use adduser to create the
 user, don't forget to also depend on adduser)

Leaving your remarks on Apache untouched, I am pointing out, this is not
true for www-data. www-data is among the globally project-wide assigned
user ids that are known to exist on every Debian system.

Please refer to policy 9.2.2 [1] which points this out for user ids from
0 to 99, www-data is 33. In Debian, this user is created by base-passwd [2]

[1] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2
[2] http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/base-passwd

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Re: RFS: Jampal (2nd try)

2011-07-15 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Peter,

On 15.07.2011 16:45, Peter Bennett wrote:
 Regarding the dependency quilt (= 0.48-7~)
..

Your rules file contains:


%:
dh --with quilt $@

that is, you explicitly invoke dh_quilt. This is not needed for you,
using the 3.0 (quilt) format which implicitly uses quilt. Hence it
should be safe to remove the --with-quilt flag for you.

This is also what Lintian is catching.


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Re: RFS: evolution-tray

2011-07-14 Thread Arno Töll
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On 14.07.2011 13:55, Max Tsepkov wrote:
 I am looking for a sponsor for my package evolution-tray.

For reference, there is also an ongoing discussion on debian-devel
regarding the package. See the corresponding thread on [1].

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/07/msg00198.html

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Re: RFS: Jampal (2nd try)

2011-07-10 Thread Arno Töll
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On 10.07.2011 18:21, Peter Bennett wrote:
 Hi Arno
 Which VCS links are you referencing in the control file? I am using the
 sourceforge.net subversion for the debian files, is there a better choice?

Please see [1]. The VCS should point to the version control system YOU
are using to maintain and deploy your stuff for Debian. Its not about
the upstream repository.

If you are maintaining this stuff in a Sourceforge repository from you,
that's fine and point there then. Otherwise I'd suggest you to go with
collab-maint [2]

 I am cleaning up the descriptions for jampal and tagbkup.
 Regarding openoffice, I am removing it from the dependency lists. It is
 only used for a couple of commands and I have added error messages to
 those that will tell the user if he needs openoffice/libreoffice and
 does not have it.

Fair enough


[1]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs
[2] http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/PackagingProject
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Re: how to get people to run lintian on their packages

2011-07-09 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Sven,

On 09.07.2011 10:36, Sven Joachim wrote:
 On 2011-07-09 10:20 +0200, Reijo Tomperi wrote:
 Automatically running code from random people sounds rather risky to me.
...
 And now you're even giving them root rights!  I suppose this is out of
 the question.

Well, this is not necessarily a problem. There are enough possibilities
to come over this problem, similarly to the official Debian build
infrastructure (sbuild/wanna-build).

I guess this is more a problem of someone implementing it, rather than a
technical one. I believe, Asheesh would certainly accept such a thing
for the Debexpo project. Or not, since this requires quite a lot of
resources.

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Re: how to get people to run lintian on their packages

2011-07-08 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Karl,

On 08.07.2011 05:49, Karl Goetz wrote:
   - The -I and --pedantic options should always be used.
 
 Why is that? the manual entry for --pedantic says
   Pedantic tags are Lintian at its most pickiest and
 include checks for particular Debian packaging styles and checks that
   many people disagree with.  Expect false positives and
 Lintian tags that you don't consider useful if you use this option.
   Adding overrides for pedantic tags is probably not
 worth the effort.
 Wouldn't requiring people show tags that aren't relevant just train
 them to ignore lintian?

its not, pedantic Lintian warnings weren't useful or /only/ false
positives. There is just a slightly higher degree to encounter false
positive or screw you Niel^W^WLintian I don't care at all tags.

That said, some pedantic tags can probably be ignored but most are
nonetheless still a very helpful addition one better should consider
when packaging software.

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Re: Nitpicking: you are doing it wrong

2011-07-08 Thread Arno Töll
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On 08.07.2011 15:56, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
 1. You're using debhelper compat 7 and also only debhelper =
 7.0.50~ as Build-Depends. Please bump that to 8

 Seriously? Is the sponsor suggesting that one should be
 build-depending on a newer version, even though one does not use any
 features of the newer one?
 
 Also, the sponsor failed to explain that normally upgrading
 debhelper compat is not a matter of bumping a number here and there.
 
 
 I can understand how this applies to older packages that have been created in
 the past and just don't use some of the new functionality, but I guess that
 the points are valid for completely new packages.
 
 I had the impression that it is desirable to create those in such a way
 that they use the latest compat, debhelper features and soon-to-be policy
 additions such as DEP5. 

Jakub, I'm with Wolodja on this regard. While I totally agree with your
argumentation from a technical perspective, and I admit there are few
(no, even) reasons to /insist/ on such things, there are still good
reasons to suggest more state-of-the-art alternatives nonetheless.

Its about the wording, granted this. Maybe the reviewer should be
careful to say something like Consider upgrading ... or There is a
newer compat level which is the currently recommended mode of operation
but not literally Upgrade to compat 8, yours is wrong

This is because I still think its wrong to introduce _new_ packages with
older compatibility levels or older, but still policy compliant
practices. This is why I regularly point this out when I encounter such
packages and my sponsors did the very same with my packages.

We have a lot of older legacy stuff in Debian which would not pass any
RFS as of today, but this does not necessarily mean we should have this
level for new packages as well. This is why I don't consider a bit of
nitpicking wrong for new packages.

 Creating a package for the first time is a time consuming process, but
 should one not target the current state of the art?

Seconded.

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Re: Nitpicking: you are doing it wrong

2011-07-08 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Adam,

On 08.07.2011 18:24, Adam Borowski wrote:
 If you don't make use of newest shiniest features, higher debhelper levels
 just make backporting harder for no gain.

There is debhelper 8 in both, lenny-backports as well as in
squeeze-backports.

Moreover Debian packages target Sid, not (Old-) Stable, and this is
where efforts should be invested in. Moreover backports are something
optional, not a requirement for new packages, or something which should
even necessarily kept in mind when working on packages.



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Re: RFS: lebiniou, lebiniou-data

2011-07-06 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Oliver,

On 06.07.2011 18:23, Olivier Girondel wrote:
 This has been fixed, but I'm not sure what exactly the content of the
 Format: field should be.

please see [1] and that thread in general. Some people have different
understandings what to put there. The thread I am referring to addresses
most if not all concerns with it.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/05/msg00529.html

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Re: RFS: Sponsor needed for pmwiki

2011-07-05 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Thomas,

On 05.07.2011 19:39, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 I'd add as well that there are some other issues not highlighted
 by Arno, maybe because he doesn't use PmWiki himself.

Indeed I don't. Moreover I didn't verify installation paths at all, as I
discovered enough issues in the packaging itself, hence I thought,
before looking into the actual files and verify whether the package
works, I'd like to have the packaging stuff addressed.

Therefore I appreciate you did by now, as this simplifies life to Robert
as I clearly admit. Thank you.


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Re: RFS: Jampal (2nd try)

2011-07-04 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Peter,

On 24.05.2011 02:29, Peter Bennett wrote:
 This is my second attempt. I have fixed errors that were pointed out to
 me last time.

glad to see you fixed most of the problems I addressed last time. Thank
you very much.

This time I have some minor, mostly cosmetic issues only but please note
I didn't extensively review your package. I was just looking how you are
doing. Here we go:

* Your standards version is still outdated. Please push to 3.9.2 after
verifying eventual changes [1]
* Please remove the VCS links in your control file if you don't use it.
Even better it would be, if you would use a VCS for Debian related
packaging though :)
* Another thing I mentioned last time is to eventually push debhelper
compatibility level to version 8 (in debian/compat and debian/control).
This is the recommended version as of today.
* Benoît already mentioned the concerns about OpenOffice I addressed
last time as well [2]. You can certainly recommend it if you believe
this is the way to go, see [3] for the precise meaning of package
relationships. However you still need to exchange OpenOffice by
LibreOffice. Its the latter which is in Debian now.
* The long description of tagbkup (glad you made a dedicated package for
it!) contains something like (use the -cm option, see below) which was
probably extracted from a manual or so. Please rework the description
since neither the switch should be explained in the description field
not does below exist at all.



[1] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/05/msg00307.html
[3]
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps
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Re: RFS: Sponsor needed for pmwiki

2011-07-04 Thread Arno Töll
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Re: RFS: phing (Another try)

2011-07-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Benoît,

On 02.07.2011 10:33, Benoît Knecht wrote:
   - debian/phing.1 still contains the BUGS section I mentioned
 previously.

that's not necessarily a problem. You, apparently a FSFE member could
just take a look into coreutils manpages. See, for instance, cp(1) which
includes a very similar section:

REPORTING BUGS
   Report cp bugs to bug-coreut...@gnu.org
   GNU coreutils home page: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/
   General help using GNU software: http://www.gnu.org/gethelp/
   Report cp translation bugs to http://translationproject.org/team/

Finally I'm not aware of any Debian suggestion to change manpages to
point users to report bugs to Debian instead of upstream. It is true,
Debian users can - and are encouraged - to report problems to the BTS,
but this is definitively not a requirement.

A fair compromise, since the manpage has been written by Nicolas anyway,
could be to mention both, e.g. similar to strace(1):

  PROBLEMS
   Problems with strace should be reported via the Debian Bug
Tracking System, or to the strace mailing  list  at
strace-devel@lists.source‐forge.net.


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Re: RFS: phing (Another try)

2011-07-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Benoît,

On 02.07.2011 11:52, Benoît Knecht wrote:
 If it was upstream's man page, of course I wouldn't suggest modifying it
 in that way. But since it was written by the packager, and at least for
 now will mainly be installed on Debian, I think it makes sense not to
 advise users to bypass Debian's BTS.

Sure but I'd definitively suggest to send improvements back to upstream.
This includes man pages.

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Re: RFS: phing (Another try)

2011-07-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Benoît,

On 02.07.2011 14:10, Benoît Knecht wrote:
 - I remove email for bug.
 
 I'm happy with that change, but maybe Arno disagrees ;)

I'm fine with that. I was just disagreeing with you, denoting upstream's
preferred way to report bugs should be replaced by Debian's BTS. Not to
mention it at all, is the solomonic solution but fine as well. :)

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Re: RFS: phing (Another try)

2011-07-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi,

On 02.07.2011 17:54, Nicolas wrote:
 Another thing though; I just noticed that out of the 18MB of the
 unpacked .deb, 15MB are documentation. I would say it's definitely worth
 having a separate phing-doc package in this case.
[..]

 Good idea.

I didn't have a deep look into your package. However now, Benoît
mentioned the huge docs for your package, you also have to notice that
Debian requires the 'main' repository to be self-containing. This is
what the Debian social contract mandates.

Having a brief look in your upstream's doc/ directory I noticed, you
ship both, generated API docs and a PDF file, perhaps even more stuff
like that. You have to make sure both resources can be regenerated (or
changed, regarding the PDF file) during packaging with build
dependencies available in Debian. This means for you, you should provide
a target in your rules file, which regenerates this documentation the
way, they are created upstream.

While it is not required to rebuild them anytime (or at least, this is
what most people seem to agree) you must provide the possibility to do
so if desired. Otherwise you would have to cleanup your package from
non-free stuff or move it contrib/non-free depending on licenses and
requirements.

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RFS: [QA upload] snowdrop

2011-06-30 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello,

I'm seeking a sponsor for a QA upload of the package snowdrop. Snowdrop
is orphaned since over two years but in rather good shape and still
usable. I updated it to more recent Debian improvements (dh 8, quilt 3.0
package, ...), fixed some minor bugs and brought it up to date in general.

Upstream development stopped long time ago, but as it is still useful
I'd love to see this package well-kept.

I did:

* Switch to 3.0 (quilt) format, moved all changes to the upstream source
to a quilt patch
* Pushed debhelper to v8
* Switched debian/copyright to DEP-5
* Fixed some minor bugs (see changelog)
* Moved (Debian) man page out of the upstream source to debian/
* Made Lintian (mostly) happy, I didn't bother about a watch file, since
this makes no sense.

The full list of changes is attached in diff below. Joey, if you care
enough I can push you my changes to your git repository (or rather
export it somehow to you, since I have no write permissions to your
repository)

Finally I hope I didn't bother debian-qa@ too much with this request,
but last time I was told I shall CC you for QA-RFS mails.

The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
- - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/snowdrop
- - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
main contrib non-free
- - dget
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/snowdrop/snowdrop_0.02b-9.dsc

I'd be glad if someone could sponsor this QA upload.

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diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index 9492a23..dfb0ed3 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -26,10 +26,9 @@ VER	= 0.02b
 LANG= eng engf c
 
 BINROOT = /usr/bin/
-DESTDIR = /
 
-CFLAGS  = -ggdb -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -fexpensive-optimizations \
-  -ffast-math -Wall -g
+CFLAGS  = -ggdb -O9 -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -fexpensive-optimizations \
+  -ffast-math -Wall 
 
 
 all: modules snowdrop toinstall
@@ -37,25 +36,25 @@ all: modules snowdrop toinstall
 modules: language.h
 	@echo ; \
 	echo [*] Compiling language modules: ; \
-	test -f /usr/include/gnutls/openssl.h  USEOPENSSL=1; \
-	test -f /usr/local/include/gnutls/openssl.h  USEOPENSSL=1; \
-	test $$USEOPENSSL =  || echo [+] Using GNU TLS MD5 modules. ; \
+	test -d /usr/include/openssl  USEOPENSSL=1; \
+	test -d /usr/local/include/openssl  USEOPENSSL=1; \
+	test $$USEOPENSSL =  || echo [+] Using OpenSSL MD5 modules. ; \
 	test $$USEOPENSSL =   echo [+] Trying to use RSA MD5 modules. ; \
 	for i in $(LANG); do \
 	  echo [+] Building language module for '$$i'...; \
-	  test $$USEOPENSSL =  || ADDME=-DUSE_OPENSSL -DUSE_GNUTLS ; \
+	  test $$USEOPENSSL =  || ADDME=-DUSE_OPENSSL ; \
 	  $(CC) $$ADDME $(CFLAGS) -c lang-$$i.c -o lang-$$i.o || exit 1; \
 	done; \
 	echo [*] Language modules compiled.
 
 snowdrop: snowdrop.c language.h 
 	@echo [*] Compiling main code:; \
-	test -f /usr/include/gnutls/openssl.h  USEOPENSSL=1; \
-	test -f /usr/local/include/gnutls/openssl.h  USEOPENSSL=1; \
+	test -d /usr/include/openssl  USEOPENSSL=1; \
+	test -d /usr/local/include/openssl  USEOPENSSL=1; \
 	for i in $(LANG); do \
 	  echo [+] Building 'sd-$$i'... ; \
 	  ADDME=-lmd5; \
-	  test $$USEOPENSSL =  || ADDME=-DUSE_OPENSSL -DUSE_GNUTLS -lgnutls-extra -lgnutls-openssl $(shell libgnutls-config --cflags --libs) ; \
+	  test $$USEOPENSSL =  || ADDME=-DUSE_OPENSSL -lcrypto ; \
 	  $(CC)  -DVER=\$(VER)\ $(CFLAGS) -DTARGETLANG=\$$i\ snowdrop.c lang-$$i.o -o sd-$$i $$ADDME || exit 1; \
 	done; \
 	echo [*] Main code compiled.
@@ -68,12 +67,12 @@ toinstall:
 clean:
 	rm -f sd-* *.o core core.* a.out
 
-install:
-	@echo [*] Installing binaries in $(DESTDIR)$(BINROOT)...
-	cp -f sd-* $(DESTDIR)$(BINROOT)
+install: modules snowdrop
+	@echo [*] Installing binaries in $(BINROOT)...
+	cp -f sd-* $(BINROOT)
 	@echo [*] Installing synonyms database...
-	@mkdir $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/snowdrop || true
-	cp synonyms $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/snowdrop/
+	@mkdir /usr/share/snowdrop || true
+	cp

Re: RFS: s3ql (new python application)

2011-06-27 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Nikolaus,

On 27.06.2011 21:15, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
 It seems to be. Without quilt:
 
 dh clean --with python2,quilt
 dh: unable to load addon quilt: Can't locate 
 Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl 
 /usr/local/lib/perl/5.12.3 /usr/local/share/perl/5.12.3 /usr/lib/perl5 
 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.12 /usr/share/perl/5.12 
 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 23) line 2.
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 23) line 2.

this is, because you configured:

%:
dh $@ --with python2,quilt

which runs dh_quilt_patch upon creation of the source directory. This is
not necessary when using the new quilt 3.0 format which does this
implicitly.

That said, you should be able to remove the quilt addon from dh and
everything should still work (untested).

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Re: RFS: l2tp-ipsec-vpn

2011-06-19 Thread Arno Töll
] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt
[5]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs

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Re: RFS: RHash - Utility for computing hash sums and magnet links

2011-06-09 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Kilian,

On 09.06.2011 09:28, Kilian Krause wrote:
 the package name should be in sync with SONAME - no matter what ugly or
 nice that makes the (binary) package name. ...
 That being said, as Alexey is the upstream himself he can surely decide
 what's the most suitable SONAME ...

this is exactly what I meant. I think I pointed out, the package name is
correct by the constraints the policy requires. I guess I could have
been clearer though, so thank you for clarification.

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Re: RFS: RHash - Utility for computing hash sums and magnet links

2011-06-09 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Alexey,

On 09.06.2011 12:45, rhash.admin wrote:
 Ok, switched to 8th version for auto-running dpkg-gensymbols, but some
 DDs (on #d-mentor) prefer to package with 7th debhelper to simplify
 backporting.

That's right for oldstable. But Lenny is about to become obsolete in a
forseeable future and your package will most likely not enter Lenny
anyway. However for Squeeze dh 8 compatibility is fine [1]

 * Your upstream sources are missing copyright headers. Please consider
 adding them.
 There is already Copyleft license file! Why do I need to add Copyrights? :)

You can also add copyleft headers if you care about the wording :

 Your debian/copyright provides conflicting license headers. I'm aware
 yor package is dual-licensed, see DEP-5 on how to specify such use
 cases
 If it is not reported by lintian, then it doesn't look like official
 requirement. :)

Because DEP-5 is not a requirement at all. DEP-5 is a proposal on its
way to become an official standard which is then most likely reflected
in the policy. Until then Lintian probably won't croak (or care).

It is a good idea to start with DEP-5 for new packages but no
constraint. If you do, you should do it right though nonetheless. :)

Moreover Lintian is not omnipotent (in hope, Niels won't read that :))
and possibly has missing or incomplete checks.

[1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debhelper.html

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Re: RFS: RHash - Utility for computing hash sums and magnet links

2011-06-08 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Alexey,

On 08.06.2011 11:55, rhash.admin wrote:
 Hello! I need a sponsor for the rhash package!
 http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=rhash

a few notes about your package you may want to consider (I'm no DD, so I
can't sponsor you though):

* debian/changelog: Please don't explain in the changelog what your
package is for. We have a short and a long description for that. See [1]
for some hints. You should neither mention the SONAME change there
unless you changed it for the Debian package exclusively. If the latter
you might want to elaborate the reason in a README.Debian file.
* Please push debhelper compatibility to version 8 (debian/compat,
debian/control), see debhelper(7).
* debian/control: It is considered a best practice to have VCS links in
debian/control which point to the repository where you develop the
Debian package. See [2].
* Do you really need the minor version in the SONAME (and hence
correctly reflected in the package name)? It is not wrong to do so, but
since your package is new and your both, major and minor version are 0
you could probably just use the major version instead of an odd name
like librhash0.0.
* You replicate the package priority for your binary packages when
compared to the source package in debian/control. No need for that
unless you change priorities for binary packages.
* I'm not sure what I should think about debian/Makefile-rhash-1.2.6rc1.
Why didn't you merge those changes with your upstream Makefile, since
you are upstream yourself? If you really want to keep it out of your
upstream source, please use a quilt patch [3] instead.
* Your upstream sources are missing copyright headers. Please consider
adding them.
* You could earn some bonus points for shipping a symbol file, see
dpkg-gensymbols(1)
* Your package synopsis should not start with an upper case letter, see
[4]. Long description is fine, but I'm not entirely happy with the
synopsis lines for each package. Tastes may vary.
* Your debian/copyright provides conflicting license headers. I'm aware
yor package is dual-licensed, see DEP-5 on how to specify such use
cases, Syntax in [5]. Also consider the MIT hint mentioned in DEP-5.
Moreover don't use hash marks like programming style comments, use the
Comment header instead.
* You ship some cryptographic algorithms, I hope you checked all legal
issues with that?

[1]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-debian-changelog
[2]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs
[3] http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt, among others
[4]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-desc-basics
[5] http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
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RFS: [QA Upload] netsend

2011-06-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hello,

I'd like to ask for sponsoring of my QA upload for the package netsed.

It does not introduce a new version since upstream is dead since 2001
but the package is fairly cool, has a reasonable popcon and no open RC
bugs (but WNPP bug #487339[1]. You could adopt it - note there is a
non-official new upstream version you may want to switch to as outlined
in #586037 [2]. Moreover you would eventually becoming upstream as well)

I updated the package and it is in comparatively good shape now - I
believe at least, you may still want to review it however as this is my
first QA upload. I attached a diff outlining all changes I did. This is
in particular:

* I switched to the 3.0/quilt format
* I rewrote the rules file and changed the package to make use of debhelper
* I made some minor corrections in debian/copyright and package description
* I removed all changes in the upstream code (previously the package
changed a version number in upstream's README. I did not found this to
be useful enough to introduce a patch)
* I made some minor tweaks in debian/control, including the Maintainer
field (now QA)
* The package is Lintian clean (but minor pedantic and informational
warnings due to missing upstream stuff, e.g. home page, watch file,
upstream changelog)


The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
- - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/netsed
- - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
main contrib non-free
- - dget
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/netsed/netsed_0.01c-3.dsc

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487339
[2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586037

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diff -Nru netsed-0.01c/debian/changelog netsed-0.01c/debian/changelog
--- netsed-0.01c/debian/changelog	2011-06-02 02:45:23.0 +0200
+++ netsed-0.01c/debian/changelog	2011-06-02 02:44:34.0 +0200
@@ -1,3 +1,18 @@
+netsed (0.01c-3) unstable; urgency=low
+
+  * QA upload.
+  * Orphaning package, assign package to the QA team. Maintainer is MIA.
+  * Switch to dpkg-source 3.0 (quilt) format
+  * Start rules file from scratch: use dh 7 mode, make
+use of various debhelpers (dh_installdocs, dh_installdirs, ...)
+  * Set compat and dependency to debhelper 8
+  * Undo previous modifications of the upstream source. A former maintainer
+changed a version number in README.
+  * Bump standards, package should comply to all requirements now.
+  * Minor tweaks in debian/copyright
+
+ -- Arno Töll deb...@toell.net  Thu, 02 Jun 2011 02:17:42 +0200
+
 netsed (0.01c-2.1) unstable; urgency=low
 
   * Non-maintainer upload.
diff -Nru netsed-0.01c/debian/compat netsed-0.01c/debian/compat
--- netsed-0.01c/debian/compat	1970-01-01 01:00:00.0 +0100
+++ netsed-0.01c/debian/compat	2011-06-02 01:12:23.0 +0200
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+8
diff -Nru netsed-0.01c/debian/control netsed-0.01c/debian/control
--- netsed-0.01c/debian/control	2011-06-02 02:45:23.0 +0200
+++ netsed-0.01c/debian/control	2011-06-02 02:14:23.0 +0200
@@ -1,26 +1,25 @@
 Source: netsed
 Section: net
 Priority: optional
-Maintainer: Lenart Janos o...@debian.org
-Standards-Version: 3.5.7.1
+Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
+Standards-Version: 3.9.2
+Build-Depends: debhelper (= 8.0)
 
 Package: netsed
 Architecture: any
-Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
-Description: The network packet altering stream editor
+Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
+Description: Network packet altering stream editor
  NetSED is small and handful utility designed to alter the contents of
  packets forwarded thru your network in real time. It is really useful
- for network hackers in following applications:
+ for network packet alteration, forging and manipulation. NetSED supports:
  .
* black-box protocol auditing - whenever there are two or more
  proprietary boxes communicating over undocumented protocol (by
  enforcing  changes in ongoing

Re: RFS: [QA Upload] netsend

2011-06-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Sorry, my bad. The mail subject should have been netsed of course.

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Re: RFS: [QA Upload] netsend

2011-06-02 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Mats Erik and Sven,

On 02.06.2011 12:42, Mats Erik Andersson wrote:
  Reading the bug logs I'd favour an upload using the 'new upstream'
  version.
 
  The bug #586037 is sufficient to motivate the removal of a package
  built from the old source. All the more so in the absence of IPv6
  capabilities.
 
Fair enough. I just didn't feel comfortable to package an entire new
upstream source for a QA upload.

Glad to see you worked on that already Mats, therefore I updated my
package and merged our approaches. I attached a diff outlining all
changes in debian/ I made.

Note I removed you and other people interested from Maintainer/Uploaders
and left QA as I originally suggested. If you still want to adopt the
package, I'd suggest you to change bug #487339 to ITA and seek for
sponsors for your first maintainer upload, with or without the DDs
originally interested to join you.

I didn't commit my changes to your VCS, I can do if you want, as I'm a
member of collab-maint myself.


The updated package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
- - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/netsed
- - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable
main contrib non-free
- - dget
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/netsed/netsed_1.00b-1.dsc


(sorry Mats, I mailed you instead of the list right before)

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diff -ruN netsed/debian/changelog netsed-new/debian/changelog
--- netsed/debian/changelog	2011-06-02 13:21:52.0 +0200
+++ netsed-new/debian/changelog	2011-06-02 13:54:14.0 +0200
@@ -1,43 +1,31 @@
-netsed (1.00b-1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
+netsed (1.00b-1) unstable; urgency=low
 
-  [ Mats Erik Andersson ]
-  * New upstream release.
-  * debian/control:
-+ Add M E Andersson as uploader.
-+ Standards-Version: 3.9.1.
-+ Build dependency: debhelper (= 7.0.50~), ruby.
-+ Add ${misc:Depends} to binary package dependency.
-+ Homepage stanza.
-+ Vcs-*: New stanzas.
-  * debian/compat:
-+ New file, level 7.
+  * QA upload.
+  * New upstream release from a new maintainer and thus having a new source
+  * Fix netsed executes a tight non-blocking loop.: Change to new upstream 
+source (Closes: #586037)
+  * Orphaning package, assign package to the QA team. Maintainer is MIA.
+  * Switch to dpkg-source 3.0 (quilt) format
+  * Start rules file from scratch: use dh 7 mode, make
+use of various debhelpers (dh_installdocs, dh_installdirs, ...)
+  * Set compat and dependency to debhelper 8
+  * Bump standards, package should comply to all requirements now.
+
+  [Mats Erik Andersson]
+
+  * debian/patches/:
++ 01-cflag_inclusion.diff: Sense any exported CFLAGS.
++ 02-ftbfs_kfreebsd.diff: Resolve FTBFS for GNU/kfreebsd.
   * debian/copyright:
 + Rewritten according to DEP-5.
-  * debian/rules:
-+ Simplified formulation based on 'dh' with an 'override_dh_install'.
-  * debian/source/format:
-+ New file, format 3.0 (quilt).
   * debian/watch:
 + New file.
-  * debian/netsed.docs:
-+ New file.
-  * debian/patches/:
-+ 01-cflag_inclusion.diff: Sense any exported CFLAGS.
-+ 02-ftbfs_kfreebsd.diff: Resolve FTBFS for GNU/kfreebsd.
-  * [lintian] debian/netsed.1: spelling-error-in-man-page
-
- -- Mats Erik Andersson mats.anders...@gisladisker.se  Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:36:46 +0200
-
-netsed (0.02a-1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
-
-  * Adopting package.
-  * New upstream release.
-+ Uses select() rather than a busy loop. (Closes: #586037)
-+ Attempts to resolve hostnames. (Closes: #397420)
   * debian/control:
-+ Add self to Uploaders.
++ Homepage stanza.
++ Vcs-*: New stanzas.
++ Add ruby build dependency
 
- -- Tim Retout dioc...@debian.org  Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:49:24 +0100
+ -- Arno Töll deb...@toell.net  Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:51:42 +0200
 
 netsed (0.01c-2.1) unstable; urgency=low
 
diff -ruN netsed/debian/compat netsed-new/debian/compat
--- netsed/debian/compat	2011-06-02 13:21

Re: RFS: tartarus

2011-05-29 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Stefan,

On 29.05.2011 20:49, Stefan Tomanek wrote:
 * You bundle a Perl module in your source tarball. Please package this
 separately.
 
 Even if the perl module is only used by the scripts packaged? I created
 the module when several programs used the same functions and configuration
 data, so I am not sure whether a dedicated perl package is really that useful.

you opted to install it to a system wide location, which qualifies for
this requirement, yes. If you would choose to install it to a private
location (i.e. relative to your program only, not reachable by site
@INC) this could come over this requirement[*].

Note it is perfectly fine to bundle the library in a single source
tarball, just generate a separate binary (Perl) package. That's not a
big deal.


[*] At this point I should note I am no Debian Developer. This means I
can't sponsor you, therefore you are free to ignore my advises anyway.

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Re: RFS: tartarus

2011-05-28 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Stefan,

I took a look into your package. I have some comments you may want to
consider.

On 25.05.2011 23:18, Stefan Tomanek wrote:
 I am looking for a sponsor for my package tartarus.
...
 The upload would fix these bugs: 604447

* You don't mention the ITP you filed in debian/changelog. Please do that.
* You seem to use a merged changelog for your (upstream) changes and
Debian packaging related stuff. This is not the intention of
debian/changelog. You shall outline there /packaging/ relevant changes
in comparison to your upstream package. Moreover you seem to have a
long(er) history of internal used Debian packages you mention in your
changelog. This could be confusing for Debian users, maybe you want to
clean this up, once you eventually moved your upstream changes to a
dedicated upstream changelog. See also [2].
* You use debhelper version 7, you could bump to version 8 as this is
the suggested version to be used these days. Learn more on debhelper(7).
* You should use a VCS to track your packaging efforts [1]. If you don't
have one, you could consider to joint the collab-maint project on Alioth
[3].
* You bundle a Perl module in your source tarball. Please package this
separately. There is a Perl policy covering Perl modules [4]. Once you
did, you may also depend on the ${perl:Depends} substitute dh_perl(1)
generates.
* Your original source tarball did not match the package source
directory you use to produce the package from. This resulted in a
quilt/3.0 changes patch in patches/debian-changes-0.9.8-1. Please update
your source tarball accordingly and re-upload.
* You install man pages through dh_installman, but they belong to the
upstream part of your package. Please consider writing an install target
upstream for them.
* You don't have an install target at all in your upstream package,
eventually you want to add that instead of relying to various debhelper.

Besides of those things (where most are minor improvements) I think your
package looks good, good work.


[1]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs
[2]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-changelog-errors
[3] http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/PackagingProject
[4] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/perl-policy/index.html

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Re: RFS: undo-closed-tabs-button

2011-05-26 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Sune and Ludwin,

On 27.05.2011 00:13, Sune Vuorela wrote:
 On 2011-05-26, Ludwin Alduvi Hernández Vásquez alduv...@gmail.com wrote:
 It builds these binary packages:
 undo-closed-tabs-button - This add-on allows you to undo closed tabs via a
 toolbar button
 
 addon to ?

I thought the same and looked on the home page (where you have to search
this information again!). Apparently it is for Firefox which brings me
on two points:

a) Without haing further looked on your package you may want to
reconsider package name and description to something more useful.
Remember, it is the showcase for your program. The user has to learn
what it is about by the name and possibly the synopsis. Be as verbose as
possible.

b) How is that different to the undo close tab button, being in
upstream already?

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Re: bt747: doubts on licenses and embedded libraries

2011-05-15 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Mònica
 * Licenses: this package has quite a lot of licenses, one of the
 licenses is GPL (without the version). Is it a problem? The exact header
 is:

This is no problem. GPL states (verbatim quote from GPL-2, still present
in GPL-3):

If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you
may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation.


 * Embedded libraries: I get some of them out because they are already in
 Debian but some of them are not in Debian. I supose I must get these
 libraries from its original source and pack them as different
 packages... am I right?
 

Yes, as of §4.13 in the policy.


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Re: bt747: doubts on licenses and embedded libraries

2011-05-15 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Mònica,

On 15.05.2011 13:40, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote:
 So, thinking in DEP5: If I choose GPL-3.0+, what should I write in the
 description of the license?  (Suppose I have the GPL-3.0+ already
 detailed):

The GPL paragraph I cited does not mean re-license it for whatever GPL
version you want, but The author doesn't care. His licensed work is
compatible to every GPL version (or GPL compatible licenses) you want to
choose for derivate works.

This means for you, you can keep things as they are, just give no
version in DEP-5 for the sections where this applies for your upstream
source. Remaining parts (if any) can be licensed to whatever is
compatible to any GPL version.


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Re: RFS: jampal

2011-05-15 Thread Arno Töll
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Hi Peter,

please reply with the debian-mentors list in CC (at least). This helps
other people to keep track. You can, but you don't need to address me
personally as I'm subscribed there as well.

On 15.05.2011 16:56, Peter Bennett wrote:
 Since I am the upstream developer I can make any necessary changes
upstream
 so I thought it would be easier to make a native package. Otherwise I
 have to
 start learning quilt and other things. Perhaps I am wring in my
 understanding.

You don't need to know (almost) anything about quilt. A native package
is still wrong, as those are native /to Debian/, that is where no
upstream does exist at all. All other packages have to be non native
(being in 3.0 format or not).

The only difference, as of your point of view is, you have to provide an
unmodified orig.tar.gz packaging one of your releases, the 3.0/quilt
format merges with a debian directory you provide along. Note the debian
directory is automatically stripped from the upstream tarball if it
exists. This is because it is discouraged to maintain the Debian
packaging directly at upstream's VCS (i.e. yours).

 Since i was building a native package this seemed the correct thing.

You would still not put any release history there which was never
released as a Debian package. Please compare with the dpkg [1] changelog
which is a (real) native package.


 There is one command that uses lame, it is not a major part of the
package.
 I could take out lame and mention that restriction in the man page.

Fair enough. All I wanted to say is, you can't distribute your package
in Debian while you depend (or recommend) lame.

 Open Office is used by the CD cover printing command and I included
 some example spreadsheets for Open Office that allow for updating of
 tags by spreadsheet.

Sounds like a good example for recommends, indeed. Maybe you find some
lighter alternatives, but this is definitively not a must have.

 Ok. I mention 40,000 songs as an example, perhaps I have to be clearer.

Maybe not in particular clearer, but more general.

 The postinst script for update-menu I added because lintian complained
 it was needed,
 although my experience showed otherwise.

Oh, ok. As said I don't know about desktop applications. More important
is the #DEBHELPER# hook which is used as place holder for debhelper
commands which can add their own hooks there.


 Actually ptts is not being built. I should probably remove the source.
 It is a windows program that goes with the windows version of jampal.

Please do so. Note, if you don't want to drop Windows support for you
upstream as well, you may want to repack the source tarball for Debian
(learn about DFSG tarballs on [2]). This is required for Debian if you
target main as this has to be self-contained. That is, it must be able
to reproduce your source package entirely with packages available in
main already.

 Same may hold for other libraries/utilities you
 bundle (§ 4,13 [6]).

 tagbkup is a utility command that is bundled with jampal and used for
 some of the jampal commands. Perhaps it should be packaged separately.

Yep. See my policy reference.

 Sound  Video is how Ubuntu sets up its menu structure. I actually
built this for
 Ubuntu but submitted here to see if it could get into Ubuntu through the
 Debian process.

Apparently not :)

[1] http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/dpkg
[2]
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-origtargz


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