Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote: d-i can do that too. As this sacramental phrase repeated many times, take a look on a common issue. For example, when You compare two operating systems, You can do billions statements like this, but You prefer one of them because You understand they are totally different in approaches and ideology. As I wrote above, the first motivation push me to start write install-debian few years ago, was inability to make partitionable bootable mirror with d-i. The next was a lot of time taken for partitioning with logical volumes. And finally, I prefer command line interface. As experiment, try to install Debian on the system with 6 disks with pristine d-i without special and complex configuration. Then do the same with install-debian. You will see the difference. The essentially different experiment may be done with 2 disks. Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagfyyi8_nyharsmbcgo9y3m9zpcpvhysmjjzebbe2ne9l1z...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
Package: sponsorship-requests Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear mentors, I am looking for a sponsor for my package install-debian * Package name: install-debian Version : 2.1.3 Upstream Author : Vladimir Stavrinov vstavri...@gmail.com * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/install-debian/ * License : GPL Section : admin It builds those binary packages: install-debian - This command line utility installs Debian system non-interactivel To access further information about this package, please visit the following URL: http://mentors.debian.net/package/install-debian Alternatively, one can download the package with dget using this command: dget -x http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/i/install-debian/install-debian_2.1.3.dsc More information about hello can be obtained from http://sourceforge.net/projects/install-debian/ Changes since the last upload: install-debian (2.1.3) unstable; urgency=low * Added FS_TYPE - file system type, default ext4 (was ext3) * Added caveats. -- Vladimir Stavrinov vstavri...@gmail.com Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:25:14 +0400 Regards, Vladimir Stavrinov -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPfFfRAAoJEKymKWC/Iss2VmEH/jLUMFr04WTjX/I6+IFcFM76 fa1f/SmpknEF1sd+PnluveVjIO8A98qK++owIJRnnG/FF6fFvb8Dw1OeO+n7E4n2 9I0Q5NcZvkU7k481dmJTX26wfSqmLxLkzhGvXvb9VmTnkc1xfk1aZ+SUGk6AqS9y s7L8Q9cZhDshgAujtW5FuBQB62NjpSyRw8xRmWRJf5cBzqiM9B5uVoZiP+vGmTyt vQ71vsnFWOB6V/ETb2PLn7Q2lae3YGhJ756pGY1fACt2NkcMT3f/oVtOmVdgFhwW 1mTBf5WYvEDzC0oK2S/jAYPLDMzoZRSEpRODThFON5kZUznLw8H6XilHrmVt9eA= =wNRP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404141651.27785.11854.report...@mana.playfast.ru
Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
tag 667506 + wontfix thanks On 04/04/2012 04:16 PM, Vladimir Stavrinov wrote: install-debian - This command line utility installs Debian system non-interactivel From a quick look it looks like it configures everything in a very specific way (including installing init scripts for non-Debian applications, configuring mutt, setting locales to hardcoded values, ...). I do not think it is suitable for Debian. Regards, Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f7c65f2.5030...@43-1.org
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Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 05:17:06PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: From a quick look it looks like it configures everything in a very ^^ Please, take a time to learn more. Try to use it, before make conclusion. Here is bootable iso image, including this script: http://sourceforge.net/projects/install-debian/files/debian-rescue_amd64.iso/download specific way (including installing init scripts for non-Debian It is only case for oracle and it does not mess and impact nothing. It may be removed without implications. applications, configuring mutt, setting locales to hardcoded values, It is very configurable with configuration file. Any hardcoded values may be changed with custom configuration as it is shell variable. More over, the configuration facilities let You install arbitrary files, eventually whole directory tree. ...). I do not think it is suitable for Debian. Great! Debian installer is not suitable for Debian! I am using this script for years. It have built a lot (tens) of production Debian servers in a few minutes. All of of them running custom web, cdn, banking and stock exchange applications until now without any problems. And it is only shell script, that You can use anywhere easy. *** ### Vladimir Stavrinov ### vstavri...@gmail.com *** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404183845.GA2578@terra.00
Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
Vladimir; Le mercredi, 4 avril 2012 20.38:45, Vladimir Stavrinov a écrit : ...). I do not think it is suitable for Debian. Great! Debian installer is not suitable for Debian! Debian already has one component named the Debian Installer [0,1], which is the official way to install Debian hosts. [0] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ [1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debian-installer.html I think having both the official Debian Installer `debian-installer` package and a completely new package (not suitable for generic installations) being named `install-debian` confusing (to say the least). So, without even taking a look at your `install-debian` package, I would certainly not upload it as is (hence agreeing with Ansgar' +wontfix tag), purely for name clashing reasons. (Note that I'm not judging the quality of your software, only its naming). Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 09:11:03PM +0200, Didier Raboud wrote: Debian already has one component named the Debian Installer [0,1], which is As usual, I was not satisfied with it and hence wrote my own installer a completely new package (not suitable for generic installations) being named I don't agree. There are no something specific. purely for name clashing reasons. (Note that I'm not judging the quality of your software, only its naming). I think it is hard to confuse debian-installer with install-debian as well as up and down. But if it is only reason preventing upload, I agree to rename it. Please, give me Your suggestions. *** ### Vladimir Stavrinov ### vstavri...@gmail.com *** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404192408.GC2578@terra.00
Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
Le mercredi, 4 avril 2012 21.24:08, Vladimir Stavrinov a écrit : On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 09:11:03PM +0200, Didier Raboud wrote: Debian already has one component named the Debian Installer [0,1], which is As usual, I was not satisfied with it and hence wrote my own installer Have you reported your insatisfaction (think: bugreports)? By the way, from the description on install-debian's homepage: It should be started from within Live CD, Network Boot or from any bootable media, other then Your system disk. That's how debian-installer currently works It fully supports software RAID. … as does d-i. You can change defaults and most settings with command line options and configuration variables. Do you know that you can preseed the Debian Installer to do exactly that? All settings if not defined in config file or as command line options, will b set to it's defaults either as constant values or evaluated from running system. d-i preseed can set the priority of questions, hence getting sane defaults for most things. By default it chooses largest disk for installation. d-i can do that too. If there are more then one such disk of the same size, it makes RAID array. d-i can do that too. Partitioning scheme supports separate partition for /boot, and separate logical volumes for root filesystem, /usr, /var, /tmp and /home. Also there are option to install system into single pre-mount point. In this case partitioning and mounting every part leave on Your own. d-i can do that too. This script installs only bit more packages then base system includes. The main purpose is to get bootable system. After booting new system You can install everything what You want. That's what d-i does too. So, what does install-debian better than what the debian-installer does? Or what does it that debian-installer doesn't? purely for name clashing reasons. (Note that I'm not judging the quality of your software, only its naming). I think it is hard to confuse debian-installer with install-debian as well as up and down. But if it is only reason preventing upload, I agree to rename it. Please, give me Your suggestions. Given the above, try d-i-d-nih-kit-2.0-ng . Cheers, OdyX P.S. That was my last mail to this bugreport: I won't sponsor install-debian so I'm not the one to convince. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
Vladimir Stavrinov vstavri...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 09:11:03PM +0200, Didier Raboud wrote: Debian already has one component named the Debian Installer [0,1], which is As usual, I was not satisfied with it and hence wrote my own installer Out of curiosity, what were your problems with d-i, that couldn't have been fixed via patches to d-i, that could only be solved by writing a new installer? (Note: I have not looked at your package.) -- |8] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aa2r2pbv@luthien.mhp
Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 10:04:03PM +0200, Didier Raboud wrote: Have you reported your insatisfaction (think: bugreports)? No. It has no sense, because of total insatisfaction. That's how debian-installer currently works It is custom solution. By default it is dedicated CD. It fully supports software RAID. ⦠as does d-i. This was main point, where I start to write my own installer. d-i has very restricted solutions. For a years every time I tried to make software raid with d-i, I was compelled to do this manually. You can change defaults and most settings with command line options and configuration variables. Do you know that you can preseed the Debian Installer to do exactly that? Yes, I know. But again, preseed is restricted complex and not convenient. d-i preseed can set the priority of questions, hence getting sane defaults for most things. This is something else. There are no questions at all. By default it chooses largest disk for installation. d-i can do that too. It can, but my script do by default. In any way it is no matter. If there are more then one such disk of the same size, it makes RAID array. d-i can do that too. Again, this is by default. ... d-i can do that too. ... So there are too much this phrases, here is common answer. So, what does install-debian better than what the debian-installer does? Or what does it that debian-installer doesn't? d-i is menu-driven big system with huge number of components. It take a lot of time to do simple and routine things by Your hands (by default at least). install-debian is single shell script with command-line interface only. You can simply run it without parameters and You've got bootable system after 5 minutes with preferable defaults settings. agree to rename it. Please, give me Your suggestions. Given the above, try d-i-d-nih-kit-2.0-ng . Don't understand. It may be joke. P.S. That was my last mail to this bugreport: I won't sponsor install-debian so I'm not the one to convince. You and me may write anything here about what they can do and what can't. But only way to see true difference is to use it. I have experience of using both software. Why do You won't give chance to users to make their own choice? *** ### Vladimir Stavrinov ### vstavri...@gmail.com *** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404205851.GD2578@terra.00
Re: Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 10:51:16PM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Out of curiosity, what were your problems with d-i, that couldn't have been fixed via patches to d-i, that could only be solved by writing a First was software raid restrictions, then partitioning (logical volumes and file system creation), that take time and manual work. But total reason is that it is more continent to have single shell script to do the routine work. (Note: I have not looked at your package.) Try to use it - You've get more feeling then from it's description. *** ### Vladimir Stavrinov ### vstavri...@gmail.com *** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404211000.GE2578@terra.00
Re: Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
On 04/04/2012 04:10 PM, Vladimir Stavrinov wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 10:51:16PM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Out of curiosity, what were your problems with d-i, that couldn't have been fixed via patches to d-i, that could only be solved by writing a First was software raid restrictions, then partitioning (logical volumes and file system creation), that take time and manual work. But total reason is that it is more continent to have single shell script to do the routine work. All of this can be done with preseeding d-i, as well as much, much more, when you consider including pre- and/or post-install scripting from your preseed, using modular includes, based on the results of polling a remote database for the machine's intended purpose, its hardware components, desired OS version/architecture, additional desired software, etc.. In a previous work life, I've used d-i and some additional shell/perl/python on 10's of thousands of machines. A single shell script would not, imo, have anything compelling to offer above the flexibility of what d-i and preseeding can do for automation. (Note: I have not looked at your package.) Nor have I. -- Kind regards, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f7cc103.4080...@pbandjelly.org
Re: Bug#667506: RFS: install-debian/2.1.3 [NEW] -- command line installs Debian system non-interactively
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 04:45:39PM -0500, Michael Shuler wrote: All of this can be done with preseeding d-i, as well as much, much more, For a years there was problem to make partitionable and bootable raid when you consider including pre- and/or post-install scripting from your The main point is default setting, that allow do not spent time for configuration. I make partitioning scheme with logical volumes by default that is suitable in most cases for the first time, and then on run time it allow to resize volumes and filesystems, so to allocate disk space in most efficient way. And remember - all of this You've get in non-interactive way by running script without parameters. preseed, using modular includes, based on the results of polling a Again, instead preseed, You can simply put Your target configuration file for any package into include directory and use meaningful shell variable assignments. It is very simple and clean. A single shell script would not, imo, have anything compelling to offer above the flexibility of what d-i and preseeding can do for automation. I agree, d-i is more universal, because it is too big. But debian-installer is more convenient and efficient in most (typical) cases. As for raid, d-i can't do, what install-debian can (see above). It create mirror, raid5 and raid10 by default. In two last cases there will be separate mirror for /boot directory. (Note: I have not looked at your package.) Nor have I. try it: http://sourceforge.net/projects/install-debian/files/debian-rescue_amd64.iso/download *** ### Vladimir Stavrinov ### vstavri...@gmail.com *** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404223031.GF2578@terra.00
