Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
The cool thing is, you (and others) can do that starting right now:
Just email the debian-mentors list saying, Hey, I'm not a DD, but I
can review someone's package. First reply I get is what I'll review!
And if other people like the idea, they'll
Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
The cool thing is, you (and others) can do that starting right now:
Just email the debian-mentors list saying, Hey, I'm not a DD, but I
can review someone's package. First reply I get is what I'll review!
And if other people like the idea,
Michael Tautschnig m...@debian.org writes:
Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
The cool thing is, you (and others) can do that starting right now:
Just email the debian-mentors list saying, Hey, I'm not a DD, but I
can review someone's package. First reply I get is what I'll
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Exactly. Same here. Isn't there a gnome team? That should become more
active in sponsoring then.
They probably have enough packages to upload and bugs to triage, best
not overload them more.
--
bye,
pabs
On Sat, 9 Oct 2010, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
For example here are a couple of my last questions there:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10t=55938
to add more hard restrictions to a process that already has
lots of points of stressful uncertainty.
On the other hand, I see how your idea is actually about creating less
stress, since it clarifies expectations.
I'm swamped just sticking to the Four days thing so far, so count me out
Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
I have limited time to sponsor packages. I want to sponsor packages
from people who have invested serious time in helping Debian users
answer their questions. So I will pay special attention to mentees who
show they've answered lots of questions on
As a noob-wannabe mentee I see one issue which has not been mentioned:
There's no list whose level is between this mentors list and the
debian user lists
eg http://forums.debian.net/viewforum.php?f=10
For example here are a couple of my last questions there:
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
For example here are a couple of my last questions there:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10t=55938
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10t=55976
Both look on-topic for user support fora such as
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
For example here are a couple of my last questions there:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10t=55938
Le Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 05:13:22PM -0400, Asheesh Laroia a écrit :
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Charles Plessy wrote:
perhaps the list's description, that still points at
http://people.d.o/~mpalmer,
could be updated as well? I have not figured out if this is done through
a bug on lists.d.o or by
On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
We probably should do a better job of identifying these packages and
responding to the RFS to tell people that it's of questionable
importance (or clearly no importance) and then channeling them into
assistance to Debian that is of greater
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Kartik Mistry wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org wrote:
Niels wrote up a script that checks the debian-mentors archives for
unanswered messages.
I set up a nightly job that runs it on the October mailbox.
Nice work - Asheesh and
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 06:41:18AM +1100, Matthew Palmer a écrit :
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:11:49AM -0400, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
in the first place.
Matthew -- sounds like you've identified a commonly-asked question that
has an answer. Would you
Niels wrote up a script that checks the debian-mentors archives for
unanswered messages.
I set up a nightly job that runs it on the October mailbox.
You can see it at http://rose.makesad.us/~paulproteus/four-days/.
(I'll move it to people.debian.org somewhat shortly.)
Note that if we answer
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org wrote:
Niels wrote up a script that checks the debian-mentors archives for
unanswered messages.
I set up a nightly job that runs it on the October mailbox.
Nice work - Asheesh and Niels!
Can this be integrate with
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:08:05AM -0400, Asheesh Laroia a écrit :
It's a really good idea... maybe I should actually ask my sponsorees to
review other people's packages on the debian-mentors list as a sort of
social trade -- I upload if you join
Charles Plessy wrote:
This reminds me a site that I discover today in the Dreamhost newsletter,
http://feedbackroulette.com/. I have not found source code, but the idea is
simple and could be translated to an anonymous package review system.
I would really love the idea. It's a fact, package
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Matthew Palmer wrote:
To clarify: the intended point of this proposal is to solve the
perceived problem that DDs don't sponsor packages because they're
concerned that they'll end up taking responsibility for a package if the
maintainer ups and leaves?
I don't actually
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:30:37 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
One is to use the mentors mailing list as the maintainer for mentee
packages. That way the burden of quickly orphaned packages is dispersed
over the whole set of mentors rather than just one. Perhaps that will
encourage more DD
Le Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:08:05AM -0400, Asheesh Laroia a écrit :
It's a really good idea... maybe I should actually ask my sponsorees to
review other people's packages on the debian-mentors list as a sort of
social trade -- I upload if you join the review team.
Hi all,
This reminds me
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:11:49AM -0400, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Matthew Palmer wrote:
To clarify: the intended point of this proposal is to solve the
perceived problem that DDs don't sponsor packages because they're
concerned that they'll end up taking responsibility
Le Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 06:41:18AM +1100, Matthew Palmer a écrit :
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:11:49AM -0400, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
in the first place.
Matthew -- sounds like you've identified a commonly-asked question that
has an answer. Would you (or someone else on the list) be
[...]
I think a possibly good solution would be to set up a
mentors.debian.net bug page (similar to other debian resources such as
[0]). That would make it much clearer which mentoring tasks are still
open. It would also make it possible categorize new submissions, which
would help
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org wrote:
And what other cultural improvements can we make to debian-mentors? What
else can we do to make this place supportive and helpful for the progress of
y'all mentees into sparkly Debian contributors and developers?
Not
of
2006, now that I think about it.)
Does anyone know where an mbox archive of the debian-mentors list can be
found? If so I can provide further tips to someone who wants to help us
visualize the Four days goal. (-:
I don't have time to write it myself, but if there's an easy way to make
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org wrote:
And what other cultural improvements can we make to debian-mentors? What
else can we do to make this place supportive and helpful for the progress of
y'all mentees into
mentees -- if you think you've solved the problems
raised on the list, and you think someone should upload it, but no one did
-- reply within the thread four days later to say that your expectations
have been broken. (-:
Remember: Communicate! (And all, thanks for such an interesting thread
2010/10/5 Johan Van de Wauw johan.vandew...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org wrote:
Not something that is implemented overnight, but I think there should
be a solution for new packages which are often useful for users, but
not (yet?) up to debian
[...] (great ideas w/ color codes)
If you want to write up a script (I would use Python), I can imagine
how you'd go about doing it... except I don't know how you can
download MBOX archives of Debian lists. (I actually struggled with
this in the summer of 2006, now that I think about it.)
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010, Paul Wise wrote:
Another demotivator is people who treat the archive as a dumping
ground for their pet package; do a one-shot upload to get it in and
essentially leave it orphaned after that. I tried to avoid that by
having a policy of not sponsoring anything, but I still
with solutions.
So I was thinking it would be nice if every email thread got a
public reply within four days. That's a goal that Niels and I have
set, and we hope maybe some of you help too. Even if we reply, Eek,
I'm swamped. Try again later, I figure that is nicer than hearing
nothing back.
Would you
, the four-days thing
helps people say, Well, if this list isn't working for getting a sponsor,
maybe I should try a different strategy. Just like how you can set a
timeout on a socket, and if the socket appears to be dead, code can take a
different action.
I'm ready to applaud your efforts, I think
Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
Since we agree on that general point, can you be the watchdog -- that
is, if we try removing pain points that are necessary or useful, can
you specifically identify them and remind us why they're worth
keeping?
Thanks for the offer, but no. I think
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Ben Finney wrote:
Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
Since we agree on that general point, can you be the watchdog -- that
is, if we try removing pain points that are necessary or useful, can
you specifically identify them and remind us why they're worth
keeping?
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Ben Finney wrote:
Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Ben Finney wrote:
So when we identify a point of pain, I think it's essential to ask:
is this pain necessary to the learning process for this person?
Ben, I'm not sure what you're saying.
relevant to their package.
Anyway, it's just something Niels and I (and anyone else who wants to) are
committed to. If you don't want to send any extra emails to the list,
that's totally fine with me. The point of this thread is to tell mentees
that they can expect a response within four days
Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org writes:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Ben Finney wrote:
So when we identify a point of pain, I think it's essential to ask:
is this pain necessary to the learning process for this person?
Ben, I'm not sure what you're saying. It sounds like you're saying,
The
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:35:04 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
As someone who has attempted to go through the mentoring process, I
agree very much that it is rather depressing.
How much of that is actually a problem, though? How much is an
Hi
Dne Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:42:59 -0400
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com napsal(a):
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:35:04 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
As someone who has attempted to go through the mentoring process, I
agree very much
Hello,
Michal Čihař ni...@debian.org wrote on 2010-10-04 18:14:
Lack of interested mentors is indeed an issue. Nobody has unlimited
time and chooses what attracts him. For me it usually means things I
know and test or which I find interesting after reading RFS email.
I will mention another
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:42:59AM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:35:04 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
As someone who has attempted to go through the mentoring process, I
agree very much that it is rather depressing.
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 09:17:24PM +0200, Joachim Wiedorn wrote:
Hello,
Michal ??iha?? ni...@debian.org wrote on 2010-10-04 18:14:
Lack of interested mentors is indeed an issue. Nobody has unlimited
time and chooses what attracts him. For me it usually means things I
know and test or
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:30:22 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:42:59AM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:35:04 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
As someone who has attempted to go through the mentoring
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael Gilbert
michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:30:22 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Yeah, that's a great idea! We should setup a mailing list where they can
get together and ask questions of each other and request someone to sponsor
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:37:19 -0700 PJ Weisberg wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:30:22 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Yeah, that's a great idea! We should setup a mailing list where they can
get together and ask questions of each other and
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:32:24PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:37:19 -0700 PJ Weisberg wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:30:22 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Yeah, that's a great idea! We should setup a mailing
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:52:09 +1100 Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:32:24PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:37:19 -0700 PJ Weisberg wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:30:22 +1100, Matthew Palmer
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
A lot. The current process is individualized mentorship, not team
mentorship.
How so? Anyone can provide input on a question asked here, and
frequently a question will get a team of mentors descending to mentor
the querent.
You might be
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 12:14:36AM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:52:09 +1100 Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:32:24PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:37:19 -0700 PJ Weisberg wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael
I was thinking it would be nice if every email thread got a
public reply within four days. That's a goal that Niels and I have
set, and we hope maybe some of you help too. Even if we reply, Eek,
I'm swamped. Try again later, I figure that is nicer than hearing
nothing back.
Would you mind
this
(particularly if it could come with educated guesses based on the source
package).
So I was thinking it would be nice if every email thread got a
public reply within four days. That's a goal that Niels and I have
set, and we hope maybe some of you help too. Even if we reply, Eek,
I'm
It probably would help most if more DDs had time for and interest in
sponsoring and mentoring new people.
Maybe you and others could blog about your rewarding experiences in
helping folks out on -mentors in order to encourage other DDs to help
out.
--
bye,
pabs
http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
An expansion...
I used to do regular reviews of every unanswered recent RFS. Mostly I
stopped doing those due to lack of time. After a while doing them got
demotivating due to the amount of problems with most packages and the
lack of response to issues, or if there was a response there were a
few
Hi all,
I'm not involved in either mentoring nor creating...just lurking on
the mailing list. :-)
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 00:21, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
An expansion...
I used to do regular reviews of every unanswered recent RFS. Mostly I
stopped doing those due to lack of time.
Hi Paul,
Thank you for answering my queries so quickly; obviously, I didn't
know many of the things you listed.
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 01:20, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Raymond Wan r@aist.go.jp wrote:
following the checklist, then maybe consider a
[...]
- Briefly looking at http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2010/09/
it seems that the number of emails not being responded to by anyone is not
that high. Furthermore it seems there's a lot more to this list than just
RFS.
And I found only a single non-RFS email that
depressing!
So I was thinking it would be nice if every email thread got a public
reply within four days. That's a goal that Niels and I have set, and we
hope maybe some of you help too. Even if we reply, Eek, I'm swamped. Try
again later, I figure that is nicer than hearing nothing back
Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
As someone who has attempted to go through the mentoring process, I
agree very much that it is rather depressing.
How much of that is actually a problem, though? How much is an integral
part of gaining humility as to the state of the
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, David D Lowe wrote:
Hello Asheesh.
As a mentee, this sounds like a great idea. It can get quite
discouraging when you don't get any replies to your RFS. I like the
implicit permission to remind people of your RFS after four days. So
far, I haven't dared to do that: I've
a public
reply within four days. That's a goal that Niels and I have set, and we
hope maybe some of you help too. Even if we reply, Eek, I'm swamped. Try
again later, I figure that is nicer than hearing nothing back.
In general, I encourage mentees and mentors to consider 4 days the
timeout
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