Re: A package to be removed

2021-11-22 Thread Tommi Höynälänmaa

Hello

The removal is OK now.

 - Tommi




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Re: A package to be removed

2021-11-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2021-11-22 at 08:47 +0200, Tommi Höynälänmaa wrote:

> Package theme-d-gnome was scheduled for autoremoval on 2021-11-21 but
> it looks like the package has not been removed yet.

It looks like the autoremoval was processed:

$ apt-cache madison theme-d-gnome
theme-d-gnome |0.9.6-3 | https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 
Packages
theme-d-gnome |0.9.6-3 | https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources

$ rmadison theme-d-gnome
theme-d-gnome | 0.7.5-2   | oldstable  | source, all
theme-d-gnome | 0.9.5-4   | stable | source, all
theme-d-gnome | 0.9.6-3   | unstable   | source, all

$ w3m -dump https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/theme-d-gnome | grep -A6 versions | 
tail -n3
  • oldstable: 0.7.5-2
  • stable: 0.9.5-4
  • unstable: 0.9.6-3

> I searched the package at packages.debian.org and the package was
> displayed there in testing and unstable distributions.

The packages site usually takes longer to update than other sources.

> Grep-excuses displays theme-d-gnome as "flagged for removal".

It is still in the list of auto-removals hints but not in the
autoremoval calculations, so next time the hints are regenerated and
then the testing migration runs I expect the excuses will change.

https://release.debian.org/britney/hints/auto-removals
https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/autoremovals.yaml.cgi

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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-21 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 19/07/2014 17:00, Guido van Steen a écrit :
 I agree with Joris.
 
 Users are not properly informed that discussions on mentors.debian.net
 may be automatically lost after a package is removed from
 mentors.debian.net. This should be changed. I would rather see the
 information backed-up in some way before it is deleted.
 
 Does this require a bug report again debexpo, or is this mailing list
 the place for a discussion?
 

Hi,

IMHO, the right place for discussing a particular package is it's ITP
bug (when the package is prospective) or the RFS bug.

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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-21 Thread Guido van Steen
} IMHO, the right place for discussing a particular package is it's ITP
} bug (when the package is prospective) or the RFS bug.

AFAIAA there is no ITP or RFS for the package debexpo (the software at
issue, which is running at mentors.debian.net).

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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-21 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 21/07/2014 10:37, Guido van Steen a écrit :
 } IMHO, the right place for discussing a particular package is it's ITP
 } bug (when the package is prospective) or the RFS bug.
 
 AFAIAA there is no ITP or RFS for the package debexpo (the software at
 issue, which is running at mentors.debian.net).
 
 Guido
 

Hi,

this is not what I mean: I don't like the comments feature of debexpo,
my opinion is that comments on a to-be-sponsored package should be sent
to the corresponding RFS bug.

Debexpo has its own bug tracker:
https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?atid=413115group_id=100127func=browse

I guess it is supposed to be used for feature requests concerning debexpo.

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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-21 Thread Guido van Steen
Hi Thibaut,

} this is not what I mean: I don't like the comments feature of debexpo,
} my opinion is that comments on a to-be-sponsored package should be sent
} to the corresponding RFS bug.

Sorry for my misunderstanding. Yes, comments could indeed be
referred to the RFS/ITP bug. Debexpo could take care of handling
this automatically.

} Debexpo has its own bug tracker:
} https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?atid=413115group_id=100127func=browse

Thanks for the url of the debexpo's bug tracker. Bug# 314604 seems to
reflect the remarks by Joris van Rantwijk. However, noone has
addressed the lost comments feature yet.


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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-21 Thread Guido van Steen
I have just submitted the issue as bug# 314771.

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Guido van Steen
vanst...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
 Hi Thibaut,

 } this is not what I mean: I don't like the comments feature of debexpo,
 } my opinion is that comments on a to-be-sponsored package should be sent
 } to the corresponding RFS bug.

 Sorry for my misunderstanding. Yes, comments could indeed be
 referred to the RFS/ITP bug. Debexpo could take care of handling
 this automatically.

 } Debexpo has its own bug tracker:
 } https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?atid=413115group_id=100127func=browse

 Thanks for the url of the debexpo's bug tracker. Bug# 314604 seems to
 reflect the remarks by Joris van Rantwijk. However, noone has
 addressed the lost comments feature yet.


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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-19 Thread Joris van Rantwijk
On 2014-07-19, mentors.debian.net wrote:
 Your package ghdl all versions has been removed from
 mentors.debian.net for the following reason:
 
 Your package found no sponsor for 20 weeks

Ok.

This comes as a bit of a surprise, and it may be unfortunate. My idea
was that, even if no sponsor would be found, at least
mentors.debian.net would reflect the latest state of development of the
package, possibly as a starting point for further work. By removing the
package, you have made my work unavailable for the world, and you have
also deleted any comments that were posted by prospective sponsors.

On the other hand, it is true that I have essentially given up on
attempts to get my package into the distribution. I can understand that
you want to focus mentors.debian.net on work which is actively
developed, and not let it become a dumping ground for half-finished
stuff.

Fair enough. I will simply move the packaging files back to my personal
website.

Two points which I think you should consider:

* A little warning ahead of time would be nice before you delete stuff.
  I don't see your 20-weeks rule in the QA, for example.

* If I follow the URL to my (now deleted) package page, I would expect
  an error message saying that the packgage does not currently exist.
  Instead, the server silently redirects me to the list of packages.

  That is not helpful. If something goes completely wrong inside a
  computer, it is important to tell the user about it. There is this
  misguided notion that users dislike error messages, therefore
  software should never report errors. Please don't believe that.

Kind regards,
Joris.


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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-19 Thread Joris van Rantwijk
Hi Andrew,

On 2014-07-19, Andrew Shadura wrote:
 Don't give up. Upload it again and continue trying to find a sponsor.
 I used to be a ghdl user in the past, but I'm not good at Ada stuff
 (afaik ghdl is written in Ada), so maybe I'm not the best person for
 this. Try to approach someone from the Ada team, maybe they can help
 you.

Thanks for your encouragement.

I actually found two Debian developers who have been very helpful and
were willing to sponsor the package. Unfortunately we then discovered
a copyright issue which makes it impossible to distribute GHDL in the
Debian archive. I'm still making unofficial GHDL Debian packages
available, but my efforts to get GHDL in the Debian archive are on hold.

So I agree that this packages does not belong on mentors.debian.net
right now. But I think the removal process could be more careful to
avoid losing track of work that has already been done.

Joris.


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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-19 Thread Andrew Shadura
Joris,

Don't give up. Upload it again and continue trying to find a sponsor. I
used to be a ghdl user in the past, but I'm not good at Ada stuff (afaik
ghdl is written in Ada), so maybe I'm not the best person for this. Try to
approach someone from the Ada team, maybe they can help you.

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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-19 Thread Guido van Steen
I agree with Joris.

Users are not properly informed that discussions on mentors.debian.net
may be automatically lost after a package is removed from
mentors.debian.net. This should be changed. I would rather see the
information backed-up in some way before it is deleted.

Does this require a bug report again debexpo, or is this mailing list
the place for a discussion?

Best wishes,

Guido


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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Guido van Steen wrote:

 Does this require a bug report again debexpo, or is this mailing list
 the place for a discussion?

I think a patch would be more useful, AFAICS no-one has found the time
to work on debexpo since February.

The point of the removal is that mentors is about active maintenance
and old packages means inactive maintainers (probably). Yes, the
debexpo codebase should communicate that more effectively and have
options for maintainers to keep packages in extenuating circumstances
but right now no-one is working on that.

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Re: ghdl package has been removed from Mentors

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Joris van Rantwijk wrote:

 I actually found two Debian developers who have been very helpful and
 were willing to sponsor the package. Unfortunately we then discovered
 a copyright issue which makes it impossible to distribute GHDL in the
 Debian archive. I'm still making unofficial GHDL Debian packages
 available, but my efforts to get GHDL in the Debian archive are on hold.

I don't know the nature of the copyright issue but in general if
Debian can't distribute something, mentors can't either. It sounds
like you should have removed ghdl from mentors immediately after
discovering this issue. BTW, ghdl is still in unstable/oldstable,
should it be removed from there too?

https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/ghdl.html

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Re: nbc package has been removed from Mentors

2013-02-04 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 16/07/2012 11:17, Slavko a écrit :
 Dear mentors,
 
 Dňa Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:54:17 + (UTC) mentors.debian.net
 supp...@mentors.debian.net napísal:
 
 Your package nbc all versions has been removed from mentors.debian.net
 for the following reason:

 Your package found no sponsor for 20 weeks
 
 I was patient with my package, but i was no success to find the sponsor.
 Please, what did i wrong? Or, please, what i must do better? Need i upload
 it again? Or something other?
 
 Or i need to suppose, that this package is not interested for Debian
 people and do not waste the sponsor's and my time with it, please?

  I think that this package can be interesting for Debian users.
But, for now, you need to find a DD that is interested in it to sponsor
it. This usually mean a DD that have LEGO Mindstorms NXT bricks so
that he can test the package. Not sure there are lots of them. And,
in this small population, one of them must accept to sponsor you.
Ie, he must have some free time to check and test the package.
  I think that the best thing to do is to continue to maintain
this package and to upload it regularly on mentor until a DD
accepts to introduce it in Debian.

  Regards,
Vincent

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Re: nbc package has been removed from Mentors

2012-07-24 Thread Slavko
Hi,

Dňa Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:34:55 +0200 George Danchev danc...@spnet.net
napísal:

 Of course, you should try again. Just put some more salt, in hope to
 whet the prospective sponsor's appetite.

thanks, i will wait some time now. IMO it seems as useless to try it in
freeze time. 

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Re: nbc package has been removed from Mentors

2012-07-16 Thread Slavko
Dear mentors,

Dňa Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:54:17 + (UTC) mentors.debian.net
supp...@mentors.debian.net napísal:

 Your package nbc all versions has been removed from mentors.debian.net
 for the following reason:
 
 Your package found no sponsor for 20 weeks

I was patient with my package, but i was no success to find the sponsor.
Please, what did i wrong? Or, please, what i must do better? Need i upload
it again? Or something other?

Or i need to suppose, that this package is not interested for Debian
people and do not waste the sponsor's and my time with it, please?

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Re: nbc package has been removed from Mentors

2012-07-16 Thread Thibaut Paumard
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Le 16/07/12 11:17, Slavko a écrit :
 Dear mentors,
 
 Dňa Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:54:17 + (UTC) mentors.debian.net 
 supp...@mentors.debian.net napísal:
 
 Your package nbc all versions has been removed from
 mentors.debian.net for the following reason:
 
 Your package found no sponsor for 20 weeks
 
 I was patient with my package, but i was no success to find the
 sponsor. Please, what did i wrong? Or, please, what i must do
 better? Need i upload it again? Or something other?
 
 Or i need to suppose, that this package is not interested for
 Debian people and do not waste the sponsor's and my time with it,
 please?
 
 thanks
 

Dear Slavko,

It's not easy to get a sponsor, especially during a freeze (please
read my previous message from 15min ago entitled Re: freeze policy -
open requests for sponsorship).

Don't give up, re-upload and try to send your RFS to maintainers (team
or other) who you think should be interested (not only to
debian-mentors). When I'm looking for a sponsor, I personally answer
my own RFS with a [ping] message every month or so, just to show I'm
still there, waiting for a sponsor.

Concerning your RFS: you should perhaps explain why you think nbc is
good for Debian, whether you intend on maintaining it on the longer
run (think 5-10 years) and why...

In the meantime you can upload your package on a personal repository
(have a look at the reprepro package) and try building a userbase
outside Debian. Reading the ITP, I see you already have a prospective
user, contact him.

Regards,Thibaut.



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Re: nbc package has been removed from Mentors

2012-07-16 Thread Slavko
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Hi Thibaut,

thank you for quick reply.

Dňa Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:30:35 +0200 Thibaut Paumard
paum...@users.sourceforge.net napísal:

 It's not easy to get a sponsor, especially during a freeze (please
 read my previous message from 15min ago entitled Re: freeze policy -
 open requests for sponsorship).

my package was uploaded a long time before freeze. After freeze i am do
not expect, that it will be the part of wheeze.

 Don't give up, re-upload and try to send your RFS to maintainers (team
 or other) who you think should be interested (not only to
 debian-mentors). When I'm looking for a sponsor, I personally answer
 my own RFS with a [ping] message every month or so, just to show I'm
 still there, waiting for a sponsor.

I tried post to electronics team, but without any reply. I am confused
with these pings now - after the sponsorship-request pseudo package was
introduced (and RFS bugreports) i understand, that there are no pings
needed.

Another confusion is about the existing RFS bugreport now. It will be
closed and new one must be created? Or after new upload i will only need to
post reply to existing bug? Is this somewhere documented, please?

 Concerning your RFS: you should perhaps explain why you think nbc is
 good for Debian, whether you intend on maintaining it on the longer
 run (think 5-10 years) and why...
 
 In the meantime you can upload your package on a personal repository
 (have a look at the reprepro package) and try building a userbase
 outside Debian. Reading the ITP, I see you already have a prospective
 user, contact him.

I have published it in my public personal repo for some (two or three)
years, along with others (older or SVN versions) NXT brick's related
packages for Debian. You can see them at http://slavino.sk/ulozisko-apt

but thanks, i will try it again :-)

regards

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Re: nbc package has been removed from Mentors

2012-07-16 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 16 July 2012 11:58:23 Slavko wrote:
 Hi Thibaut,

Hi,

 thank you for quick reply.
 
 Dňa Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:30:35 +0200 Thibaut Paumard
 
 paum...@users.sourceforge.net napísal:
  It's not easy to get a sponsor, especially during a freeze (please
  read my previous message from 15min ago entitled Re: freeze policy -
  open requests for sponsorship).
 
 my package was uploaded a long time before freeze. After freeze i am do
 not expect, that it will be the part of wheeze.
 
  Don't give up, re-upload and try to send your RFS to maintainers (team
  or other) who you think should be interested (not only to
  debian-mentors). When I'm looking for a sponsor, I personally answer
  my own RFS with a [ping] message every month or so, just to show I'm
  still there, waiting for a sponsor.
 
 I tried post to electronics team, but without any reply. 

Sometimes it is really hard to find the balance... Consider for instance, that 
adding more packages to Debian would increase the overall maintenance (in 
terms of bugs, reviews, uploads, etc - all human time), which in turn might 
lead to exhaustion of sometimes very scarce human resources, which are then 
possibly supposed to take care of theirs, and sponsor yours or anyone else 
other packages as well. See the loop? Therefore, it is sometimes (but not 
always) more appropriate to just help the existing packages, by joining 
established teams or simply looking after bug logs of the existing packages 
you care for, provided you have the time and the will.

I'm pretty sure, any well maintained package with responsible maintainer 
deserves to enter the Debian archive... but the sad part is that sometimes 
even such good candidates are not considered on time, due to prosaic reasons, 
like lack of time and/or lack of interest. Hence, just keep trying again.

 I am confused
 with these pings now - after the sponsorship-request pseudo package was
 introduced (and RFS bugreports) i understand, that there are no pings
 needed.

You can still prod people and lists from time to time, you think might be 
interested in it.

 Another confusion is about the existing RFS bugreport now. It will be
 closed and new one must be created? Or after new upload i will only need to
 post reply to existing bug? Is this somewhere documented, please?

Just re-use the existing one (reportbug -N bugnumber)

  Concerning your RFS: you should perhaps explain why you think nbc is
  good for Debian, whether you intend on maintaining it on the longer
  run (think 5-10 years) and why...
  
  In the meantime you can upload your package on a personal repository
  (have a look at the reprepro package) and try building a userbase
  outside Debian. Reading the ITP, I see you already have a prospective
  user, contact him.
 
 I have published it in my public personal repo for some (two or three)
 years, along with others (older or SVN versions) NXT brick's related
 packages for Debian. You can see them at http://slavino.sk/ulozisko-apt
 
 but thanks, i will try it again :-)

Of course, you should try again. Just put some more salt, in hope to whet the 
prospective sponsor's appetite.

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Re: nbc package has been removed from Mentors

2012-07-16 Thread Thibaut Paumard
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Hi again Slavko,

Le 16/07/12 11:58, Slavko a écrit :
 Don't give up, re-upload and try to send your RFS to maintainers
 (team or other) who you think should be interested (not only to 
 debian-mentors). When I'm looking for a sponsor, I personally
 answer my own RFS with a [ping] message every month or so, just
 to show I'm still there, waiting for a sponsor.
 
 I tried post to electronics team, but without any reply. I am
 confused with these pings now - after the sponsorship-request
 pseudo package was introduced (and RFS bugreports) i understand,
 that there are no pings needed.

You're right, that why I'm not saying you should send them. It may be
considered harassment by some sponsors, I don't know. I still send
~monthly pings, and each time try to rephrase why I think it's good to
have the package and I try to send it to other people who may want to
sponsor it.

 Another confusion is about the existing RFS bugreport now. It will
 be closed and new one must be created? Or after new upload i will
 only need to post reply to existing bug? Is this somewhere
 documented, please?

There is no reason why it would be closed automatically, just answer
it. IF it is closed, reopen it. IF it is retitled, retitle it back.

In short, as long as your reasonable and don't spam people, it's OK to
insist. Being stubborn is not a bad thing :-) Put your heart into it,
document in your RFS the fact that you have been effectively
maintaining the package for three years already...

Also, move on: take care of other packages, find a good sponsor to
whom you can then personally ask to review nbc. Enter the NM process,
become a DD and then you can finally upload it yourself if everything
else fails...

Kind regards, Thibaut.

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