Am Samstag, 12. August 2017, 23:31:21 CEST schrieb Sebastian Reichel: > Hi, > > Your Thunderbird creates broken GPG signatures. > > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 03:28:57PM -0500, jathan wrote: > > Pushing Forward Debian Mobile BoF > > Even though I'm in Montreal now for a Collabora company meeting, I > unfortunately couldn't make it. Somehow Debconf always ends up being > in parallel to the big European hacker camps (i.e. SHA2017 this year). > > > -Openmoco experience > > Difficulties to have again Debian on mobiles > > > > armel? (Doesn't affect Pyra, does affect zerophone because its core is > > raspberry pi) > RPi2+ support armhf, but RPi Zero seems to be based on RPi1 SoC? > > > (going through the agenda from https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/BoF201708): > > > > * Motivation > > > > * Software Freedom > > * (Security) Updates > > * usability for little scripts (always needs a full app) > > * better flexibility (Android is not Java-or-nothing) > > * access to software body (but UI adaptability is a big issue); still no > > good ODF editor on Android > > > > Audience scope is an issue -- whatever we come up with might not > > be suitable for everyday users. Sandboxing of an Android might > > be a topic. > > chroot might become a problem with the next release, due to Android > using old kernels. Glibc from stretch needs 3.2, which is already > breaks support for some older devices. If that is increased in buster > sandboxing will get much harder. > > > Which form factors are we talking about? Just phones? Tablets? > > How can we get improvements in touch interfaces to convertibles? > > (By the way: how accessible are the graphics modules on ARM to > > Free Software? It's easy for Intel-based GPUs) > > If you are talking about acceleration: > > * Qualcomm Adreno freedreno good > * Broadcom Videocore vc4 good > * Nvidia Tegra nouveau ? > * ARM Mali lima needs lots of work > * ImgTec PowerVR - incomple RE, no driver > > Worth to be mentioned: On ARM the GPU is usually not taking > care of refreshing the screen. This is done by another hardware > components and most of those are supported mainline (so kernel > console and unaccelerated X work). > > > Other use case: Devices for employees when companies have > > extensive security requirements. > > > > * Hardware > > > > * What is based on armel is doomed (probably won't be official > > > > release in Buster, maybe not even in debports). Affects > > zerophone, openmoko > > > > * Devices that work well and are armhf based: > > * PocketCHIP (a PDA?) > > * Pyra (a game console with possibility of phone calls; to be ready by > > October)> > > suffers from GUIs not being adapted to the input situation -- > > doesn't really need a "windowing" window manager or desktop > > environment > This should list Nokia N900 (mainline/debian kernel support is > really good. Basically only camera support is missing and that > is being worked on). > > Also it might be worth pointing out Droid 4, which I'm currently > working on together with Tony Lindgren. It's progressing quite > nicely: https://www.elektranox.org/droid4/ >
I suggest to add also Openphonux http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ , built on top of the roots of Openmoko, but also runs Replicant. Hardware is expensive and (wrt. modern smartphones) somewhat outdated though.... Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/
