Hi. I send the last notes of todays BoF. Regards.
Jathan
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Pushing Forward Debian Mobile BoF
-Openmoco experience
Difficulties to have again Debian on mobiles
armel? (Doesn't affect Pyra, does affect zerophone because its core is
raspberry pi)
(going through the agenda from https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/BoF201708):
* Motivation
* Software Freedom
* (Security) Updates
* usability for little scripts (always needs a full app)
* better flexibility (Android is not Java-or-nothing)
* access to software body (but UI adaptability is a big issue); still no good
ODF editor on Android
Audience scope is an issue -- whatever we come up with might not be suitable
for everyday users. Sandboxing of an Android might be a topic.
Which form factors are we talking about? Just phones? Tablets? How can we get
improvements in touch interfaces to convertibles? (By the way: how accessible
are the graphics modules on ARM to Free Software? It's easy for Intel-based
GPUs)
Other use case: Devices for employees when companies have extensive security
requirements.
* Hardware
* What is based on armel is doomed (probably won't be official release in
Buster, maybe not even in debports). Affects zerophone, openmoko
* Devices that work well and are armhf based:
* PocketCHIP (a PDA?)
* Pyra (a game console with possibility of phone calls; to be ready by
October)
suffers from GUIs not being adapted to the input situation -- doesn't
really need a "windowing" window manager or desktop environment
An always-difficult topic is modems.
* Android hardware has android kernels (old in terms of Linux) that were
ported to it. Running pure debian (but with android kernel) can, in some
situations, run X, but nothing radio-ish. (See Cascardo's work). Linaro is
working on mainstream support for arm64 devices. Collabora has seen some parts
of the Android graphics system into Linux.
There is the PostMarketOS project; some work might be reusable between them
and Debian.
* Replicant, LineageOS
* Installation
* Document how to get root / how to unlock? LineageOS and Replicant already
have that.
* User Interfaces
* DEs are pretty adaptable (Gnome 3, KDE), but applications are unadapted
* Problem fields:
* Small screen (usually easy, just use the keyboard, but sizes can be
adapted)
* often it's just drop minimum window sizes / make scrollable
* Touch (harder -- making buttons bigger is insufficient)
* Openmoko apps are still available? Also from N900 era (QML),
Foxtrot/TangoGPS
* Talk to upstream for patching: Might need user base to argue; coming from
Debian might help.
Openmoko applications still being around shows that devs are still here.
* Having a few devices that are affordable and current (like OpenMoko was)
would give as a good start for devs to hack on it.
* Kirigami is KDE's approach to building applications that run on
touch/smallscreen as well.
* Could we have a Debian-style project that produces a Lineage-like
distribution?
Wouldn't even need to be out-of-Debian; wouldn't need to be Debian releases
(Debian libhybris/Android in parallel to Debian GNU/Linux), work together w/
FDroid
Android SDK is packaged for Debian and also there was one part for
device-side
Debian installations running under Android versions of Linux. Packaging more
parts of Android device-side software could lead to running Android apps on
Debian.
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