Re: Problem with DD application when you are DM

2014-03-07 Thread Tomasz Buchert
2014-03-06 12:49 GMT-03:00 Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se:
 
  Since you already have an entry, I believe it is up to an advocate of
  yours to login to the system and simply advocate you - see If you
  already have an entry in the system on
 
 Yes! Tomasz, your process will start when you receive indications from
 your advocates. This is an automagic process.
 
 Regards,
 
 Eriberto

Dear Andreas and Eriberto,
thanks for information. I think it is not clear on the application
page and I propose to make it more clear by explicitely stating
automagical triggering of the process and future steps after that
(that part is completely missing). Also, it is not obvious how
the applicant can submit his short bio and state his/her future Debian login.

(please CC me next time because I'm not subscriber of debian-newmaint :) )

Thanks a lot, cheers,
Tomasz


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Re: Problem with DD application when you are DM

2014-03-07 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Hi,

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 10:02:31AM +0100, Tomasz Buchert wrote:
 2014-03-06 12:49 GMT-03:00 Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se:
  
   Since you already have an entry, I believe it is up to an advocate of
   yours to login to the system and simply advocate you - see If you
   already have an entry in the system on
  
  Yes! Tomasz, your process will start when you receive indications from
  your advocates. This is an automagic process.
  
  Regards,
  
  Eriberto
 
 Dear Andreas and Eriberto,
 thanks for information. I think it is not clear on the application
 page and I propose to make it more clear by explicitely stating
 automagical triggering of the process and future steps after that
 (that part is completely missing).

I'm wondering what's not clear in the https://nm.debian.org/public/newnm
(which is linked in https://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-checklist)

You can now submit the form, and you will get an email with a link to
visit to confirm your data. The link will be encrypted with your GPG
key. Once you have confirmed, other Debian Developers can go to your
personal page and advocate you for what you require.

 Also, it is not obvious how the applicant can submit his short bio and
 state his/her future Debian login.

also from https://nm.debian.org/public/newnm:

Short presentation

Finally, please tell something about yourself, how you came to Debian
and Free Software, and why you want to volunteer your time. Please
describe the contributions you have made to Debian, your primary areas
of interest and any goals you wish to accomplish.

The intention is to use this to introduce you publicly to the rest of
the project: it will be shown on your personal page on nm.debian.org and
posted to the debian-newmaint mailing list, which is publicly archived.

and

User name

Please select a username. You will need this if you are requesting a
guest account on Debian machines, or if you are going to become a Debian
Developer. This is not needed for Debian Maintainers, but if you want,
you can reserve one now. [...]

Regards,

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Re: Problem with DD application when you are DM

2014-03-07 Thread Tomasz Buchert

Hi Tiago,

On 07/03/14 04:20, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 10:02:31AM +0100, Tomasz Buchert wrote:
  2014-03-06 12:49 GMT-03:00 Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se:
   
Since you already have an entry, I believe it is up to an advocate of
yours to login to the system and simply advocate you - see If you
already have an entry in the system on
   
   Yes! Tomasz, your process will start when you receive indications from
   your advocates. This is an automagic process.
   
   Regards,
   
   Eriberto
  
  Dear Andreas and Eriberto,
  thanks for information. I think it is not clear on the application
  page and I propose to make it more clear by explicitely stating
  automagical triggering of the process and future steps after that
  (that part is completely missing).
 
 I'm wondering what's not clear in the https://nm.debian.org/public/newnm
 (which is linked in https://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-checklist)
 
 You can now submit the form, and you will get an email with a link to
 visit to confirm your data. The link will be encrypted with your GPG
 key. Once you have confirmed, other Debian Developers can go to your
 personal page and advocate you for what you require.
 
  Also, it is not obvious how the applicant can submit his short bio and
  state his/her future Debian login.
 
 also from https://nm.debian.org/public/newnm:
 
 Short presentation
 
 Finally, please tell something about yourself, how you came to Debian
 and Free Software, and why you want to volunteer your time. Please
 describe the contributions you have made to Debian, your primary areas
 of interest and any goals you wish to accomplish.
 
 The intention is to use this to introduce you publicly to the rest of
 the project: it will be shown on your personal page on nm.debian.org and
 posted to the debian-newmaint mailing list, which is publicly archived.
 
 and
 
 User name
 
 Please select a username. You will need this if you are requesting a
 guest account on Debian machines, or if you are going to become a Debian
 Developer. This is not needed for Debian Maintainers, but if you want,
 you can reserve one now. [...]
 
 Regards,

The parts you mention are clear and will work flawlessly for somebody who
is not a DM. If you have read my first e-mail you would have know that I cannot
submit the form since it complains that my e-mail and GPG key are already
in the database.

There are two different workflows for applicants:

   (1) if you are not in the database yet = submit the form and follow the 
instructions
   (2) if you are in the database (any DM I presume) = ask your advocates to 
advocate
   for you and everything will trigger *automagically*; instructions how to 
proceed
   in this case are unclear to me:

* will I get an encrypted e-mail like in (1)?
* how can I submit my bio as in (1)?
* how can I choose my future Debian login as in (1)?

Basically, I claim that the section If you already have an entry in the system
is not verbose enough. That's it.

 
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 4096R/E4B6813D
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 OFTC
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 http://www.debian.org
 

Cheers,
Tomasz


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Problem with DD application when you are DM

2014-03-06 Thread Tomasz Buchert

Hi,
I'm currently a DM and I wanted to apply for DD.
However, when I want to submit the form, an error is shown:

Email address:
Person with this Email address already exists.
OpenPGP key fingerprint:
Person with this OpenPGP key fingerprint already exists.

The result is that I cannot apply. I can change my e-mail, no problem,
but I would prefer to keep my PGP key if it is possible. I would
post it as a bug, but maybe I'm missing something here.

Cheers,
Tomasz


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Re: Problem with DD application when you are DM

2014-03-06 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 16:06:24 +0100,
Tomasz Bucherttomasz.buch...@inria.fr wrote:


Hi,
I'm currently a DM and I wanted to apply for DD.
However, when I want to submit the form, an error is shown:

Email address:
Person with this Email address already exists.
OpenPGP key fingerprint:
Person with this OpenPGP key fingerprint already exists.

The result is that I cannot apply. I can change my e-mail, no problem,
but I would prefer to keep my PGP key if it is possible. I would
post it as a bug, but maybe I'm missing something here.


Since you already have an entry, I believe it is up to an advocate of
yours to login to the system and simply advocate you - see If you
already have an entry in the system on 

https://nm.debian.org/public/newnm

You will need one (or more) advocates to be able to go through the
process, which I believe is one of the reasons for the process to be
like this.

Cheers
-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
gus...@gusnan.se


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Re: Problem with DD application when you are DM

2014-03-06 Thread Eriberto
2014-03-06 12:49 GMT-03:00 Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se:

 Since you already have an entry, I believe it is up to an advocate of
 yours to login to the system and simply advocate you - see If you
 already have an entry in the system on

Yes! Tomasz, your process will start when you receive indications from
your advocates. This is an automagic process.

Regards,

Eriberto


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