Bug#620137: openoffice.org-writer: Saving in docx format destroys the entire file content
No, I expect released software to work. Otherwise don't release it. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but the current situation is that unsuspecting users stand to lose a lot of their work. Writer shows a clear warning when I try to save in a different format: A window pops up informing me that (translated from German) This document might contain formatting or content which cannot be saved in format X So I don't think that there will be a lot of unsuspecting users. I'm sure that there are some users who will not read this message but I think that would not be a valid reason for not releasing OpenOffice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-openoffice-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203122306.5179...@knoebls.com
Bug#620137: openoffice.org-writer: Saving in docx format destroys, the entire file content
Is there anything I can do to ensure that this gets looked at for the OOo package in squeeze? Not really, debian stable releases are all about keeping changes to a minimum. If someone made a minimal patch to fix this issue it MIGHT be accepted but I can't see that happening unless you do the work yourself. OK, understood. So what should I do? My advice to you would be to try using the libreoffice packages from squeeze-backports and see if they provide an acceptable soloution for a squeeze deployment in your environment. Also while I understand that you don't want to deploy testing widely I would strongly reccomend testing it in your environment. The earlier in the release cycle you spot an issue the easier it is likely to be to get it sorted. P.S. i'm just a guy looking through debian rc bugs. I have no relationship to the debian openoffice guys but I do have a pretty good idea of how debian works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-openoffice-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eab5853.2060...@p10link.net
Bug#620137: openoffice.org-writer: Saving in docx format destroys the entire file content
Hi, On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:04:07AM +0100, Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: thanks for the answer. For the sake of possibly others participating in this thread I will keep my responses in English. which threadf? you just replied to me only, not to the bgu. So far there's no thread :P (Cc'ing the bug now)) I appreciate that docx is a proprietary format, but I hope you can also appreciate that it is a very important one. We (as a company) have about Unfortunately it is, yes... 150 people, of which around 100 are Linux users (mostly engineers) and the rest Windows users. As you may have guessed, the Windows users pretty much impose on everybody else that docx be used for all documents. Therefore I don't have much choice on that. If I were to follow your advice, I would alienate all my managers, and ultimately would not be able to function. We use debian on all our Linux machines, and as such would very much appreciate if Debian could uphold its reputation of being rock solid (that's why we chose it in the first place). As it stands at the moment I can't roll out squeeze, or if I do, I have to tell all the Linux users that they can't use docx format for anything else than reading a document. That's what I would do, yes. I would have thought that if a widely used package like OO0 3.2.1 offers saving in docx format, that it is also supposed to work reasonably well. I am even offering you a file that shows a particular case where it doesn't work at all. If I were a developer on this team I would be grateful for being given the opportunity to improve my product. From what I hear from improving the product? You mean Debian or OOo? OOo is dead. Debian will not contain OOo in the future. And we already iimproved the product by switching to LibreOffice for wheezy. Besides that, you expect Debian rock-solid and stable and then also expect that we either remove docx support and/or update the whole filter stuff to OOo 3.3/LibreOffices one? Eventually causing more bad bugs? Sounds like a contradiction to me. you, that is not going to happen. That's disappointing, to be honest. Valid point, but I am not a OOo (nor LibO) se, and neeither do I (or am even willing to do) upstream development there. Grüße/Regards, René -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-openoffice-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110331104918.go...@rene-engelhard.de
Bug#620137: openoffice.org-writer: Saving in docx format destroys the entire file content
Hi, snip/ I would have thought that if a widely used package like OO0 3.2.1 offers saving in docx format, that it is also supposed to work reasonably well. I am even offering you a file that shows a particular case where it doesn't work at all. If I were a developer on this team I would be grateful for being given the opportunity to improve my product. From what I hear from improving the product? You mean Debian or OOo? OOo is dead. Debian will not contain OOo in the future. And we already iimproved the product by switching to LibreOffice for wheezy. But whezzy isn't released yet and won't be for quite some time. I need to work with the stable release. Don't get me wrong. I understand the move to LibreOffice and I support it. But I also have to support my 100 users. Besides that, you expect Debian rock-solid and stable and then also expect that we either remove docx support and/or update the whole filter stuff to OOo 3.3/LibreOffices one? Eventually causing more bad bugs? Sounds like a contradiction to me. No, I expect released software to work. Otherwise don't release it. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but the current situation is that unsuspecting users stand to lose a lot of their work. you, that is not going to happen. That's disappointing, to be honest. Valid point, but I am not a OOo (nor LibO) se, and neeither do I (or am even willing to do) upstream development there. OK, understood. So what should I do? I can test this against LibreOffice on wheezy, and raise a separate bug if the problem is there, too. Is there anything I can do to ensure that this gets looked at for the OOo package in squeeze? Grüße/Regards, René best regards Wolfgang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-openoffice-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d9465cd.9020...@aminocom.com
Bug#620137: openoffice.org-writer: Saving in docx format destroys the entire file content
Hi, On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:30:21PM +0100, Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: OK, understood. So what should I do? I can test this against LibreOffice on wheezy, I'd prefer with sid, it hasd 3.3.2 compares to 3.3.1, but ok, I can do that, too. Just didn't get to it yesterday. Is there anything I can do to ensure that this gets looked at for the OOo package in squeeze? Didn't I make it clear that noone in Debian would? Maybe ask the go-oo guys (the upstream), but go-oo also is dead in favour of LibreOffice and I doubt they'll care about 3.2.1. But you could try.. Grüße/Regards, René -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-openoffice-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110331114145.gp...@rene-engelhard.de
Bug#620137: openoffice.org-writer: Saving in docx format destroys the entire file content
Package: openoffice.org-writer Version: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 Severity: grave Justification: causes non-serious data loss A document originally created in MS Office in docx format can be opened in OpenOffice, however when the document is then saved in docx format, something goes horribly wrong, possibly with the TOC table. Subsequently MS Office refuses to open the document with an error message and when the document is opened with OpenOffice, it only has page and footers, and the basic structure of the original document, but the entire content is lost. I have tried to fix this by converting the document into a zip file and then manually removing the offending parts (according to the vague error messages from MS Office), but that just makes it worse. Since the docx output from OpenOffice is readically different from the output generated by MS Office, cut and paste is not an option, either. The relevant document is attached. To recreate the problem, follow these steps: 1) Open the document in OO 2) Save under a different name in docx format 3) Close all open documents 4) Open the saved docx document Result: page structure is retained, TOC is retained, but on subsequent pages all content has disappeared. The outline elements are still visible (bullet points, headers, table outlines) but none of the text is there. The TOC is not recognized as a TOC any longer and cannot be updated. -- System Information: Debian Release: 6.0 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages openoffice.org-writer depends on: ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared lib ii libgcc1 1:4.4.5-8 GCC support library ii libicu44 4.4.1-7International Components for Unico ii libstdc++64.4.5-8The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libstlport4.6 4.6.2-7STLport C++ class library ii libwpd8c2a0.8.14-1 Library for handling WordPerfect d ii libwps-0.1-1 0.1.2-1Works text file format import filt ii openoffice.or 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2office productivity suite -- share ii openoffice.or 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2office productivity suite -- arch- ii ure 1.6.1+OOo3.2.1-11+squeeze2 OpenOffice.org UNO runtime environ ii zlib1g1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3 compression library - runtime Versions of packages openoffice.org-writer recommends: ii default-jre [java5 1:1.6-40 Standard Java or Java compatible R ii openjdk-6-jre [jav 6b18-1.8.3-2+squeeze1 OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspo ii openoffice.org-ema 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 office productivity suite -- email ii openoffice.org-fil 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 office productivity suite -- legac ii openoffice.org-jav 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 office productivity suite -- arch- ii openoffice.org-mat 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 office productivity suite -- equat ii sun-java6-jre [jav 6.22-1Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment ( Versions of packages openoffice.org-writer suggests: ii openoffice.org-base 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 office productivity suite -- datab pn openoffice.org-gcj none (no description available) Versions of packages openoffice.org-core depends on: ii fontconfig2.8.0-2.1 generic font configuration library ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared lib ii libcairo2 1.8.10-6 The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra ii libcurl3-gnut 7.21.0-1 Multi-protocol file transfer libra ii libdb4.8 4.8.30-2 Berkeley v4.8 Database Libraries [ ii libexpat1 2.0.1-7XML parsing C library - runtime li ii libfreetype6 2.4.2-2.1 FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib ii libgcc1 1:4.4.5-8 GCC support library ii libglib2.0-0 2.24.2-1 The GLib library of C routines ii libgraphite3 1:2.3.1-0.2SILGraphite - a smart font rende ii libgstreamer- 0.10.30-1 GStreamer libraries from the base ii libgstreamer0 0.10.30-1 Core GStreamer libraries and eleme ii libgtk2.0-0 2.20.1-2 The GTK+ graphical user interface ii libhunspell-1 1.2.11-1 spell checker and morphological an ii libhyphen02.5-1 ALTLinux hyphenation library - sha ii libice6 2:1.0.6-2 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libicu44 4.4.1-7International Components for Unico ii libjpeg62 6b1-1 The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG ii libmythes-1.2 2:1.2.1-1 simple thesaurus library ii libneon27-gnu 0.29.3-3
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Bug#620137: openoffice.org-writer: Saving in docx format destroys the entire file content
tag 620137 + moreinfo found 620137 1:3.2.1-11 thanks Hi, On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:39:12PM +0100, Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: Package: openoffice.org-writer Version: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 Severity: grave Justification: causes non-serious data loss Sure? I t hink this is only important. it only affects docx saving, which as you might have guessed yourself - is not very good (yet). Using a proprietary format like docx is your own fault. A document originally created in MS Office in docx format can be opened in OpenOffice, however when the document is then saved in docx format, something goes horribly wrong, possibly with the TOC table. Subsequently MS Office refuses to open the document with an error message and when the document is opened with OpenOffice, it only has page and footers, and the basic structure of the original document, but the entire content is lost. Who said docx support is very good for *saving* in OOo 3.2.1? Try LibreOffice. It has many improvements there. Squeeze will not get any intrsive changes like filter updates. Grüße/Regards, René -- .''`. René Engelhard -- Debian GNU/Linux Developer : :' : http://www.debian.org | http://people.debian.org/~rene/ `. `' r...@debian.org | GnuPG-Key ID: D03E3E70 `- Fingerprint: E12D EA46 7506 70CF A960 801D 0AA0 4571 D03E 3E70 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-openoffice-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110330161413.gm...@rene-engelhard.de
