Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 08:27:59PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 07:44:53PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: The problem I see here is that admin != user in all the situations. IMO it should ask, or at least warn, the user and not the admin. Because in the end is the

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Julian Gilbey writes (Re: Phoning home): On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:54:11PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: I think therefore that we should add some statement to policy about phoning home. Agreed. As a starting point: * Software in Debian should not communicate over the network except

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Bushnell BSG writes (Re: Phoning home): On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 13:54 +, Ian Jackson wrote: But I was rather surprised to find this situation. It looks like the prospective maintainer was aware of the phoning home but didn't consider it a release-critical bug; they are also

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Phoning home): I suppose that apt never updates itself unless you have something configured to do so (although does synaptic default to running aptitude update periodically?). We can serve our users better by having our apt phone home to ask if there are updates,

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Bushnell BSG writes (Re: Phoning home): These are two separate concerns. Concern One: What a server does with information as a result of its operations; Concern Two: What network traffic a program makes in its operation. I think it is a mistake to separate these things in this way.

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes (Re: Phoning home): On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:16:29AM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: No, I prefer the SHOULD form, because it permit the right thing to be done, giving the debian developer the freedom (and burden) to check what it is bad, and what it is

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 04:25:28PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:16:29AM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Speaking as a human being, I would suggest that Debian policy should be that all phoning home MUST be enabled explicitly, and MUST be turned off by default.

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 07:26:37AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 04:25:28PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:16:29AM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Speaking as a human being, I would suggest that Debian policy should be that all phoning