Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Russ Allbery dixit: I agree with others in this thread that having a UTF-8 locale without the collation changes implied by en_US is very useful for various software packages such as automated test suites that want reproducible results and were originally written for the C locale. Same for

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 03.09.2010 01:46, Russ Allbery wrote: Samuel Thibaultsthiba...@debian.org writes: Well, it's mostly - some people saying it's useless, - while other people saying I need it, and also - en_US.UTF-8 is just fine vs. - en_US.UTF-8 sucks, we really need C.UTF-8 instead without any

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Thorsten Glaser, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 13:02:31 +, a écrit : Russ Allbery dixit: I agree with others in this thread that having a UTF-8 locale without the collation changes implied by en_US is very useful for various software packages such as automated test suites that want reproducible

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 15:26:47 +0200, a écrit : BTW I think we should wait some more time. Last week I was on debian-glibc list a bug: printf fails if it find an invalid UTF-8 character (when the locale uses UTF-8). Note it is allowed in POSIX, which distinguish raw strings

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:37:24AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Russ Allbery, le Thu 02 Sep 2010 16:24:56 -0700, a écrit : Generally what that means is that someone needs to digest the discussion in the thread Well, it's mostly - some people saying it's useless, - while other people

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Samuel Thibault dixit: believe that's something that shouldn't break Squeeze at all. I also believe it cannot possibly do that. bye, //mirabilos -- “It is inappropriate to require that a time represented as seconds since the Epoch precisely represent the number of seconds between the

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:20:27PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:37:24AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: without any convergence. I think reading back through the entire log, Thanks for having done it!

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Would a less confusing way to make this distinction be to say something like: “The minimal Debian installation must have a locale available that uses the UTF-8 character encoding.”? The other angle here is that it can't just be any UTF-8 locale,

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Aurelien Jarno, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 19:16:40 +0200, a écrit : On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:20:27PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : There were no objections to having a UTF-8 locale installed and available by default, just to it *being*